It’s rather difficult not to have an opinion on the Park Shi Hoo rape allegation case by now. One can refrain from making a judgment on the available facts and speculation, but is hard not to have a preliminary opinion of what might have happened. In alleged rape cases, even when all the facts are sifted through and sometimes when a verdict is rendered in a court of law, there remains murky shades of gray and empirical evidence hard to come by when much could hinge on perception and reaction in that moment. Park Shi Hoo released a second statement through his new manager (his brother) stating his intention to cooperate fully with the investigation and asking once again for the public to refrain from rendering any judgments at this time. The latest developments continue to indicate a possible non-consensual sexual encounter did occur. On the night of February 14th was when Park Shi Hoo, A, and K went drinking. Contrary to earlier reports that she waited to report it, she went to the rape counseling center the next evening around 8 pm on February 15th to seek help, and afterwards reported the rape later that night to police.
Now there are reports that A specifically told police that she believes she was drugged because there was no way she could have passed out drinking so little. As with all routine rape investigations, the police took samples of her fluids and hair to test for drugs which takes about 2 weeks to process. The owner of the bar told the media that the three drank only 2 bottles of soju, and A also confirmed that they drank only 2 bottles of soju and there was no way she could have gotten drunk and passed out on that alone. The CCTV footage showing her leaving the bar walking out just fine confirms her story that she was not drunk on the 2 bottles of soju shared between 3 people and left the bar fine. Apparently 10 minutes later she was seen being piggybacked out of the car by K and carried into the elevator of Park Shi Hoo’s apartment building. Police have now released that K is also a suspect in the alleged rape, not merely a suspect as an accessory to the alleged crime. Apparently A said in her initial police report that both men raped her.
Before these new developments came to light (about the possible drugging and K’s further involvement), Park Shi Hoo’s manager had made a statement indicating they were considering suing A for libel in alleging she was raped by Park Shi Hoo and they hope this misunderstanding and false accusations could be resolved swiftly. Er, not sure if that’s going to happen anytime soon. K is a 24 year old actor and since he is considered a suspect, and not just a material witness, chances are his name will be made public soon. Both Park Shi Hoo and K will go in for questioning on February 24th. As for Park Shi Hoo’s attorney requesting time before questioning, that’s totally normal and routine and in and of itself not an indication of guilt. I would advise my client to debrief with me before going in for police questioning. Even if my client wasn’t guilty who knows if under questioning the person will freak out. A good lawyer always prepares the client to handle an interrogation beforehand.
The police likely have probable cause to obtain a search warrant based on A’s statement alone, so there is no chance delaying the interview is a ruse to destroy evidence, which is a crime as well. Furthermore, Park Shi Hoo already admitted to having sex with her, evidence collected from the scene cannot prove whether it was consensual or not. A did not say she fought back, she said she was passed out, so there would be nothing of evidentiary value to collect from the scene. Since all evidence (from A, K, and the bar owner) state that three people drank 2 bottles of soju, toxicology samples taken from her will likely be the hard evidence one way or another as to whether she was drugged to the point of passing out within a short period of time. This case continues to distress me to read about – if true then Park Shi Hoo and K are pigs who deserve the brunt of the big bat of the law, if false then A is a crazy delusional bitch out to bring down a popular actor and/or gain notoriety for herself. Which one sounds more plausible? I’ll leave it up for folks to sift through.
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All I can say is Holy Moly. The toxicology report should be coming out next week or so - it will probably be damning on either side if it test positive. The way the woman A has reacted to this situation makes one believe that something has occurred. But possibilities that maybe she took something herself for recreational use can't be completely off the table either. Oh what to think my heads a mess.
It takes 2 to tango.
Even supposing she drugged herself, intentionally or unintentionally, a decent man would have allowed her to first regain consciousness before initiating anything, NOT taken advantage of her prone body to have sex.
Of course, what I meant was how could the toxicology report prove that she was drugged in order to be raped. All it proves is that she was under the influence. How about the other parties associated to this case?
Regardless, that it's sketchy. It's effing sketchy. One must play devils advocate with oneself in order to keep fairness but I'm running out of what ifs. This dude is two steps from being lynched.
Agree with you 100%< Von!
@ Michelle
Does it matter whether the person who drugged her drink was intending to rape her or not? If the toxicology report turns out positive, then the relevant facts are that 1) she was drugged, and 2) a person or persons had sex with her while she was drugged - which means she was raped.
Even supposing in the most ludicrous situation that A drugged herself in order to create an opportunity to be raped, the end result is that PSH took advantage of the situation and raped her. If he hadn't touched her - which, if he were a decent person, is what he should have done - then there wouldn't be this problem.
I'm agreeing with you 100% doll, my statement is that even if she was intoxicated it doesn't mean that they have her the drugs. All it proves is that she was under the influence. However we are unaware if the other parties were also intoxicated. I'm in no way undermining the situation. Proof in putting when I stated he's two steps from being lynched. Nonetheless, evidence and fact. The rape kit pulled two different semen samples as per Koala statement below, the toxicology report is not out however if it test positive- we can safely assume she was under the influence, she was piggy backed into the unit (however it is not stated whether she was lucid and conscious through that specific event). There are two many open ended questions to give an exact verdict of guilt. However I feel that A does not have any gain but loss bringing this incident to light thus I feel she is telling the truth - but I don't want to make pre-emptive judgments without the smoking gun. That the whole situation is sketchy- It's Sketchy.
Is the presence of two semen throug the rape kit confirmed? Or is it just a speculation? I mean PSH and K havent been summoned for a test to confirm their semen on A.
As soon as I read that she was piggy backed by the junior actor into the senior actor's apartment......I started getting the creeps.
It's so hard!!! I don't know who is lying!! They're hiding so many things I don't know what to think!!! Why until now they revealed that she not only acussed Shi Hoo for raping??? What was all about that subject "B" texted her the day after, asking how was she and she seemed normal? And could someone explain me why Shi Hoo name was reveled but Subject "B" wasn't?
Here's my take:
A said when she woke up she was naked in bed with Park Shi Hoo. Apparently K had already left. When she reported the alleged rape to the police, she said likely both men raped her. The police probably didn't name K as a suspect right off the bat since A was not able to positively place him in bed with her. But the police did a rape kit on her that night. Unlike toxicology tests which take 1-2 weeks for ingested substances, a rape kit can be quickly run to test for semen, and the presence of more than one man's semen.
Which means that the police didn't announce K was also a suspect until there was likely some evidence tying him to sleeping with A, such as his semen was also found on her.
Of course - all of this could still point to the three of them having a very happy threesome of consensual sex. Semen present does not equal rape, it just says sex occurred. K being named now as a suspect isn't weird if the police was waiting for some evidence he also had sex with A before charging him.
Omg, the plot thickens.
Omo, this is terrible for PSH.
Not only did have sex with an unconscious girl that he just met, he did it without protection to boot.
No wonder he admitted having sex with her...his semen can be found in her.
Either he was under the influence himself ...or dude is just plain stupid!
I never really saw anything charismatic about PSH anyway...I always found his eyes bizarre...and not in a good...sort of sleazy.
What if they used condoms? how could they collect semen?
thanks for that... you stated it so clearly.
i don't want to make conclusions yet. sometimes, there are rape cases that even the victims are being blamed. other times, when a popular figure is involved it is also being taken advantaged.
Raping leaves wonds doesn't it? And do you know like how long does it takes to heal??? Because it's important in the exames that they do to found wounds in the vagina, no???
agree with @mel, we know that women reproduction are sensitive so if it is rape the police must be found the scar or wound from the visum, isn't it?
Violent rape leaves wounds. If the person is not fighting back nor "dry as a Sahara" from the fear, it's not likely there are going to be any serious wounds. In fact, a woman might not even know she has been raped if, say, she'd woke up fully clothed without any men present and there would not be any semen in her. Condoms especially already have a bit of a lubrication on them.
And even in consensual sex there might be some small tearing of mucous membrane so locating such tiny wounds wouldn't prove that rape occurred.
Hmm.. Please allow me to express my thoughts :
1. Why would PSH let A find herself being naked with him in the bed if he really raped her. He could just dress her back nicely.
2. Or may be PSH purposely did it to make A believe they had "it" willingly.
3. Or could it be that PSH were being placed together with A when he's unconsious? It's doubt thou coz PSH admit he had sex with A.
4. Or perhaps, A was unhappy bcoz PSH treated "it" as one night stand?...
5. Or may be, PSH's former agency/manager tried to frame him coz they were unhappy that he left them once he's on the top.
Errr..Many thoughts / scenarios passing my head. I've watched too many dramas I guess hee.. But still, thought #1 is the big "?" to me.
FYI: I was just being neutral, neither I side PSH nor A.
I'm just saying, anyway...
Warm regards
what more evidence is needed...i didn't believe it at first but evidence is pouring out every now and then how can you not side with the victim....just list it out for you.... though it's lengthy so just summarize it for the last time gather tidbits from koala and other sources ... 1.The police reported that from the CCTV of Park Si Hoo’s condo that they reviewed, Park Si Hoo’s junior friend was carrying the knocked out girl and PSH was walking in going into elevator to go to his condo.
Park Si Hoo’s agency probably release the street cart CCTV news…but not sure if it’s that effective,cause it’s before they went to PSH’s house…but if what the police article say is true…then cctv from streetcart drinking place showed the girl walking, so that article released to say she was not drunk but…the new article that just came out right now according to the police the CCTV in Park Si Hoo’s condo captured them going into elevator and the girl was on one of the guy’s back being carried in..so this one is not good for Par Si Hoo.cr:blt
Park Si Hoo’s junior friend carried in the girl with PSH walking in with him. It makes everything worse cause that junior friend said she was perfectly fine and felt sorry toward PSH for getting caught up on this kinda scandal…but now police say that junior friend carried in the unconscientious girl with PSH onto elevator 2.The facts so far are: (1) Park Shi Hoo and A drank that night at a bar, along with K, (2) Park Shi Hoo and A slept together afterwards, (3) A was not unconscious at the bar and walked out by herself unaided, and (4) A was unconscious entering Park Shi Hoo’s apartment building when she was piggybacked into the elevator by K. Everything else is speculation, people. Park Shi Hoo fans need to stop victim blaming and questioning A’s motives at the get go. Just because Park Shi Hoo is a good actor or good looking does not mean he can sleep with anyone he wants or every woman out there would agree to sleep with him. Rape is still a stigma for women everywhere and to even suggest that someone who was training to enter the entertainment world would allege rape to get famous is far-fetched. Not outside the realm of possibility, but definitely at the outskirts of probability. Not sure how a rape victim could get famous other than be infamous as the person who may have been raped by Park Shi Hoo. And rape victim advocates need to calm the heck down, just because there is a reluctance to rush to castigate Park Shi Hoo when there are not yet enough facts out there isn’t buying in the male dominated rape apologist culture. However, I will say that if indeed A was unconscious when she entered Park Shi Hoo’s apartment, there is a low probability that she sobered up enough inside to legally consent to sex. 3.Police say, “We tried to set up an appointment to have Park Shi Hoo come in but he did not respond so we sent him a notice to request for his attendance,” and “If one fails to attend on 3 counts, a warrant can be issued for arrest but since Park Shi Hoo is pleading not guilty, we think he will be coming in.” Now, why he need to delayed the meeting with the police?
I suppose, for someone innocent, one would want to clear out one’s name as soon as possible from the accusation if it is not true? 4. there is news that confirmed that both Park Shi Hoo and accomplice met with the accuser(victim trainee A) after the scandal broke out. the accomplice , who introduced Park Shi Hoo and Trainee A, claims to have joined in order to “clear up the misunderstanding and to provide an objective point-of-view of the event that occurred that night.” A representative told Sports Korea that Park Shi Hoo wanted to understand the reason behind her accusations. They said, “Park Shi Hoo wanted to know what the reason was for A’s accusation, and wanted to clear up the situation before his questioning. He wants to figure out how he will handle the situation and provide a much clearer stance for the police during the investigation.”
The representative also said that although reaching a mutual agreement would be the best case, Park Shi Hoo’s image has been damaged severely, and they may counter-sue Trainee A for libel and possibly ruining his career as an actor ........By the way why PSH wanted to meet the victim after the case was reported if not for mutual settlement….I think i was right when i said he may take a hiatus for now but may get away with this in the long run becoz we all know money,influence and power work wonders in entertaiment industry ……… now i guess his recovery can be also sooner than expected if they reached with outside settlement….at the end of the day may also give or force to give nod to settlement due external pressure from powerful quarters…..the sad reality….. 5. to add to this now the accompolice is also facing lawsuit for sexual assault so they basically took turns right....really this industry sunabaes can be so scary....this show you can never judge a person away right way from his outer appreance .....it's really disgusting and people who sweared on the victim need to seriously reflect...really didn't believe this at first but as more evidence pour out it's getting dirtier and murkier..... when there is so much evidence we and even the fan girls can't be delusional as so much water has flown inside the bridge for it to be untrue....got to accept and support the victim.........i can take back the accusation that he took time for summons for the reason given by koala but other than there is nothing that indicate PSH innocence if not guilty.........
I think PSH agency denied the fact that any meetings have been arranged with the parties involved
Apparently, they lied at first place and confirmed two days ago they did meet. see below...
"Furthermore, it was confirmed that both Park Shi Hoo and Person B met with the accuser after the scandal broke out. Person B, who introduced Park Shi Hoo and Trainee A, claims to have joined in order to “clear up the misunderstanding and to provide an objective point-of-view of the event that occurred that night.” A representative told Sports Korea that Park Shi Hoo wanted to understand the reason behind her accusations. They said, “Park Shi Hoo wanted to know what the reason was for A’s accusation, and wanted to clear up the situation before his questioning. He wants to figure out how he will handle the situation and provide a much clearer stance for the police during the investigation.”
@Lynne: the rumour about the meeting came first and then they said PSH hadn't met A as the media reported.
There're still nothing offical comes from the reliable source.
Well, I don't read Korean so I can't check on Sports Korea to confirm it.
I did read that PSH denied the reports about he met the accuser with his LAWYER. and that is a different issue.
I hope this case makes it all the way to court. If the victim settles now, she will be smeared and attacked by his fans. How rich is he? Why don't they reveal who K is?
namhuong i am providing the reliable source which confirms PSH and victim met after the incident http://blog.dramafever.com/2013/02/update-park-shi-hoo-and-accuser-meets-with-celebrity-b-after-the-accusations/ ...news that confirmed that both Park Shi Hoo and accomplice met with the accuser(victim trainee A) after the scandal broke out. the accomplice , who introduced Park Shi Hoo and Trainee A, claims to have joined in order to “clear up the misunderstanding and to provide an objective point-of-view of the event that occurred that night.” A representative told Sports Korea that Park Shi Hoo wanted to understand the reason behind her accusations. They said, “Park Shi Hoo wanted to know what the reason was for A’s accusation, and wanted to clear up the situation before his questioning. He wants to figure out how he will handle the situation and provide a much clearer stance for the police during the investigation.”
The representative also said that although reaching a mutual agreement would be the best case, Park Shi Hoo’s image has been damaged severely, and they may counter-sue Trainee A for libel and possibly ruining his career as an actor ........By the way why PSH wanted to meet the victim after the case was reported if not for mutual settlement….I think i was right when i said he may take a hiatus for now but may get away with this in the long run becoz we all know money,influence and power work wonders in entertaiment industry ……… now i guess his recovery can be also sooner than expected if they reached with outside settlement….at the end of the day may also give or force to give nod to settlement due external pressure from powerful quarters…..the sad reality….. when there is so much evidence we and even the fan girls can't be delusional as so much water has flown inside the bridge for it to be untrue....got to accept and support the victim.........now the latest we hear is that Park Shi Hoo partners up with the nation's leading law firm...he is trying all means to get out of the mess.....this is the beginning until more power and money will come into the picture....like i said Park Shi Hoo can have a sexual assault controversy under his name but all he needs to do to spread some cash around and exercise his power and influence get banned for a few months before we see him out on TV or big screen again.....may be his friendship with lee byung hyun can help.....he is prime example of a star who has time and again excercised his influence ,money power and his agency status to come out of the grave messes he commited and bury them all under the carpet.....seriously i have no respect for such actors.. i hope for a change and things handled in a stricter manner setting a good preccedent so that in future mess like this doesn't occur though i very much doubt it to go this way.....
How can you call this a reliable source? :D
PSH and his representative just gave 2 offical statements, first is right after the incident and second is the statement in the late evening of 22nd February (yesterday).
I read somewhere that the first statement even claimed to be faked.
It's not that all the NEWS in the media is true, there is coflict among this mess. So, if it were not the offical conclusion from the police, it could not be reliable :D.
Even if it the offical conclusion from the police, it's still not the whole truth itself.
We, human, believe in what we want to believe in. There is no truth in this world except the truth that we create. Even the thing that we see with our eyes is not what it is, so why did you condemn him while you don't witness all the facts?
He may be the criminal but he may be the victim too :D
Hehe, I just think that I should tell you my thought. It's not something hard :).
My English is bad, forgive my mistakes in the comment ^^
Dear Miss Koala,
I might not be huge fan of PSH, but all these thing happening really creep me out .... I don't know why I am so scared ... It's been 3 days I cannot even watch Korean drama ... I don't know what to think ... What to believe.. whom to trust. PSH just became nobody to somebody from very very hard work ... He was really good man ... I am just curious what happened to him to become thislow
Overblown sense of entitlement, partially blown up by his fans ( some of them seriously are brain- dead)
Ok, I will give you some more evidence for why I think him as this way.
Like many people, I thought he was an humble, caring gentleman, shy from the public eye. But this impression got changed a few months ago from his interaction with the media:
Half way through the shooting of Alice in Cheongdamdong, he talked to the media saying although some people may not like the show but everyone praised him for his acting skills, then continued bragging about how funny he played his role. I am not saying what he said was not true, but it was not for him to say, and the timing was horrible.
Then, the jewelry he wore in the show, how expensive they are, and all from his brother’s business.
Then, how big a land proprietor his family is. etc. etc.
I remember there was a report about his glorious career with the title - "I am on fire”, said PSH. This could be seen as arrogant by Korean standard.
There were also reports about he requesting an IMac instead of the xmas gifts his Chinese fans prepared for him. And he got the IMac at the end.
There have been also reports on his mother, who followed him around, quarrelled in several occasions with the crew members during shooting AC, and that was why he needed to by his crew members the presents to ease the situation. By the way, he is truly a momma's boy.
I understand he needed to undertake PR initiatives for the new venture that he and his brother planned to run independently of the agency he had been with. But, I found those PR efforts were unsophisticated, not well organized, quite superficial or naive, reflecting on his poor judgment. PSH was no longer careful, somewhat lost his mind, and his ego somehow exploded.
I watched a three-episodes TV interview about him and his life a while ago. All came out from it was that he is a cat lover, he is diligent in his physical training, he works hard, and he is close to his family. It was totally lack of intellectual or artistic interests. It did not show any depth. His public image is the entire asset he has as an actor, toning the skin and muscle won’t cut it. Personally, I prefer a wise man over a good-looking dude. Therefore, I am not fond of him at all off screen.
yeah i agree with your comment....i liked him when i watched Princess Man and also seen some of his videos on you tube. i was somewhat disappointed on some of his interviews on the promotion of his C.. Alice drama because he was really very talkative....seems arrogant. maybe he was overcome by his success. even giving calendars to his place of birth was a press release. maybe success has gone into his head too soon and he was not ready to deal with it :( i hope this will serve as a lesson for him to be humble and will come out innocent from this charges.
Dear ILUKD,
Use yr brain, how did you make the conclusion that he was a really good man? From watching all the make believe dramas? Or did you know him since he was young? Honestly ....
Dear Faradie,
Just tell me how can I use my brain in this situation.... U and I both don't know personally to any of our korean artist whom we admire .... May be you know (since they are young) but I don't know any of them ....being k Drama addict I only know all of them by their drama, song, variety show and interview .... I was not saying PSH was pure man but before all this happen he was good ... No scandal .. No affair ... His drama was really good ... So I really don't know him..... Sorry .... Now I and we all know what a man he is ....
To trasuachieumua ...it's already confirmed and admitted by his agency so no question of doubt over it when there is so much evidence on the plate we and even the fans can't be delusional as so much water has flown inside the bridge for it to be untrue.. ...i mean what more evidence you need that he is not innocent ....got to accept and support the victim though i didn't believe it at first came out but was neutral to both but not now i can't help but side with the victim ......... i hope for a change justice is rightfully served if he is guilty which looks certain...
No matter how it plays out, this is serious business.
Sounds like A had some good advice on getting to the police as soon as humanly possible. Evidence that sex occurred and that her blood shows she was drugged- needed to be collected ASAP.
Now, whether, she consented or not, we won't ever know unless there is a recording, or if someone confesses.
But if there isn't and both sides keep claiming innocence, there will be a long bloody battle where nobody comes out unscathed.
God bless them all.
Yeah, it will be a battle of he said, she said, they said. Trying to recreate the night at hand.
Well, if it turns out she was drugged then it would be impossible for her to consent. So hopefully that evidence will be conclusive, otherwise you're right, we'll probably have a long drawn-out battle unless someone confesses.
omg I feel sick......but agree with Koala...if he and his associate are guilty then they need to be handled by the firm hand of the law......if not... I don't think it matters.....his image and career are smeared, hard thing to get over.
I just don't understand why this was done so publicly...I mean the evidence has been virtually gift wrapped for the Police...its all so obvious.....too obvious.
I am not sure I want to know the outcome....but its like a car accident....you want to turn away, but you can't.
I am just sadden by the whole thing.
You and me both, momo.
I will never bash the alleged victim, and I've been trying to keep an open mind and not rush to judgement about PSH. But.....as more evidence comes out, it's getting harder to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Like most people are saying, this whole case makes me sad. :-((
Man the details of this whole mess are just getting more and more disgusting. I feel really sorry for the girl that it's all being made so public.
I wonder how she knew both men raped her though? I thought it said she was passed out while carried in and then woke up only with Park Shi Hoo?
"A" had a hunch that both men raped her I guess it's just a "feeling" she had. Since the last person she saw was both of them. And the police found that her body has more than one semen in her which means Park Shi Hoo is not the only guy that slept with her.
A woman would feel if she has been used sexually, even if she was unconscious while the deed was done. A soreness in the vaginal area remains after intercourse, even if the woman is sexually active. If she was a virgin,then the soreness would be even greater, and there would be blood.
I don't know what to believe any more.
I am a big Park Shi Hoo fan, and I'm slowly losing faith in my perception of him.