In the Park Shi Hoo rape investigation, the deluge of information from sources official and unconfirmed have eviscerated the old adage that “no good is good news” when it comes to celebrity scandals. Park Shi Hoo’s attorney has aggressively gone after alleged libel and conspiracy, police and media leaks, and even done its own investigation in this case. The Western Police Department has come off looking inept after a seemingly interminable drag in calling Park Shi Hoo and K in for questioning, and afterwards being the source of internal leaks of information. A has been smeared in public left and right and comes off as dim, shallow, calculating, and confused. Of course, at the center of this media circus remains the core issue – did Park Shi Hoo have non-consensual intercourse with A the night of February 14th. There have been a flurry of news reports last night after the Western Police Department has officially stated that it has completed its investigation and will be handed to the prosecutor as early as April 2nd and no later than April 4th. The police have concluded that there is enough evidence to indict Park Shi Hoo for rape. Their conclusion is based on the questioning of A, Park Shi Hoo, and K, as well as the lie detector tests taken by all three. Park Shi Hoo’s attorney immediately issued a press release after this stunning bombshell statement once again trying to prove A is a liar in other ways – they have apparently obtained more text messages between A and her mom, B, and another man sent after she was allegedly raped. Supposedly these text messages were sent 2 hours before she left Park Shi Hoo’s apartment, and his lawyer claims this contradicts her statement that she was unconscious and woke up at around 1 pm since she left at 2:40 pm. Park Shi Hoo’s lawyer is alleging the police is ignoring this latest evidence in making its decision. But here’s the kicker – the police have officially told the media that Park Shi Hoo and K have indeed failed their lie detector test while A passed.
While the results of lie detector tests are deemed inadmissible in court in many jurisdictions because its inherently unreliable, there is some value in the results as a comparative benchmark. Here the police are not saying their conclusion that Park Shi Hoo raped A was based solely on the results of the lie detector (they are also basing it on the questioning they conducted of all three), they are using it to add to totality of the evidence collected. It’s good to see the police discounting the 95% of junk information out there about alleged conspiracies, friend turning on friend, the sexual history of A, Park Shi Hoo’s fans martyr complex for their perfect actor, and avaricious co-conspirators after the fact. Though the police do not make the prosecutorial decisions and their conclusion will merely be passed on to the prosecutor who will make the decision whether to indict.
I always thought the most compelling evidence made public was the video of an unconscious A being piggybacked into Park Shi Hoo’s apartment (forget her walking out of the restaurant, that was earlier in the night) AND K’s own interview with the news during the latter part of the investigation that A was so drunk she was puking in the elevator and also threw up in Park Shi Hoo’s apartment. K’s account was supposed to bolster his claim that they took A to the apartment because she was not feeling well and it was so close to the restaurant they were at. But it ended up being definitive in my mind that A was so drunk she was sick (in K’s own words), hence all the subsequent allegations that she had consensual sex and decided later to extort Park Shi Hoo not as believable since the probability is low that she had the requisite mental capacity to consent to sex if she was so drunk-sick. She may have wanted a financial settlement from Park Shi Hoo afterwards, but that is not prima facie evidence to refute whether she consented to sex in the first place.
I think this case was from the get go one of those messy he said-she said date rape cases. It’s easier to make a judgement call when its stranger rape, even easier when its a violent case with physical evidence and defensive wounds (think Missing You for dramatic license). But the majority of rape cases are not violent stranger rapes, date rapes or rapes by a familiar person are statistically much higher. In those cases, it really comes down to circumstantial evidence and whether the alleged rape victim consented (or had the requisite mental capacity to consent). Even if Park Shi Hoo is indicted and convicted of rape, there was never a case about him being some sort of rape monster who goes around assaulting women left and right. I’ve always thought it was a case to be viewed on its standalone facts – I don’t know if Park Shi Hoo is a good or bad man, I do think he made a very bad decision on that night to sleep with a very drunk girl and may have to pay the legal and/or financial price for it in the end. Park Shi Hoo fans may believe the worst of A’s character and motivations, but Park Shi Hoo admitted from the very beginning that he liked A and slept with her because they had a man-woman attraction and understanding. I guess the police have enough evidence to show that A may not have agreed to act on any possible attraction that night to have sex.
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Guilty as charged! His career goes to the gutter in the fastest lane!
he has not been charged yet
the prosecutor does this
Mrs. Koala thank you for this new information. May say I love the way you presented the facts and you opinions on this entire ordeal. I wish have the people involved in this mess could have done that instead of the circus it became. Thank you.
I second this...thanks.
I second this too. Thanks...
Me also!
Ese se jodio
Estoy de acuerdo
speaking from experience...I myself failed a lie detector test when I was applying for a law enforcement Job and per that experience i was also informed that a lot of people normally fails it the first try...including People who wanted to be a police officer. Failing 2 question on a 40 question is considered failed test. I found out later that what I failed in was the questions, have you ever physically abuse your spouse and have you ever used some other person's prescription drugs....I had never abused my husband (his 6'4 300lbs & i'm 4'11 120lbs) and I have never been a pill popper. So talking my from my experience Lie detector is a very suggestive instrument, that is why it is not use in law enforcement here in the States.
PSH, A and K took twice the polygraph test, not just once.
They will normally ask you the same question that you failed over and over...the same day and since your heart beat is already raising because you know that the questions that was asked again are the same questions you failed the first time, odds are you will fail. That is why they give you a chance to get re-tested again after a few months. When i was waiting afterwards, mind you the job that i applied for was just a assistant job not law enforcement, I was surprise to see 5 other people failing it (they were trying to be police officers)
Since my job field is in law, when we moved out of state i also had to take another lie detector test which I passed with flying colors. After explaining to the Tested my experience with my first lie detector test, here is how he explained it to me: Test that are done thru computer (my first test, they attached a clip on your finger which is attached to the computer) is much more un reliable and has more percentage of failure. Old school test (my 2nd test, they attached a wires around your body and wire on your pulse, like the movies) are more industry preferred since it gets more blah blah (Impulse reading? not sure..lie detector language that i did not comprehend) from more source than just your finger
You have a point in there. I can understand your suggestion that PSH may have the same experience as you. At the same time, I find it is interesting that 2 men (I read on other websiet that both PSH & K failed) in this ordeal failed the test while the woman didn't. If the 2 men failed the test because it was their first time, it is too much of a coincidence for both of them to fail. Taking the lie detector test may be the first time for them. But, answering to police's questions is not the first time for them in this case. They have answered to the polices more than once. The questions that they encountered during the test can't all be new to them. But, still, both men failed.
Yeah but P and K both failed, twice! what's the odd of that?
being nervous doesn't affect the outcome unless you are nervous because you are lying. Go check Wiki.
How do you explain A passed then? if what you are saying is true, shouldn't A fail too? she passed twice.
I don't think the lie test you received has the same bearing/analysis/purposes as the one P, K, and A conducted. For this case, they have a team of expert analyzing the results, not just simply "fail" or "pass" based on one question. I saw some posts that blamed Police for the P's failed test. Well, the test was conducted by a third party, National Institute of Scientific Investigation. Police wouldn't have the expertise to interpret the results. Some of the fans theory that the police wanted to bring him down by purposely failing him in lie test is not convincing to me.
You are incorrect Wendy , police in the U.S uses the lie detector test on a regular basis! it's reliable just can't be used as the only source, but for complementary evidence is totally appropriate.
Yes that test are used regularly but it is not use as evidence. It is only use as fact finder but can not be presented to court as evidence. I AM NOT A PSH FAN, I am just putting in my two cents regarding Lie detectors.
Also, find out how many test questions they failed, normally if you failed 2 -3 questions that is considered failed test.
Wiki is bull duhh
Thanks for the information, Wendy. I guess that strong emotions about a topic can tip the scale in making something a 'lie' sometimes?
I'm perfectly aware that polygraph tests are not 100% reliable, but they are still required and used as an basic tool in establishing/orienting certain states of things, especially by Intelligence Services and Law Enforcements, like you said.
In this case, I find it too big a coincidence that both PSH and K failed the test, but A passed it. The testing took place an entire day, and they all were being tested at least twice. I'm not saying that we should take this as a final proof that PSH is guilty, but I sure I'm not going to dismiss this piece of reference entirely. And honestly, the polygraph results are not surprising to me at all.
Thanks wendy for your input.
As a person working for the medical field. I can understand why A would have been able to pass the lie detector test with flying colors. A is previously known to have done this before to another gentleman which she allegedly threatened and requested money to so she would not out him.
If this is true, A could be a pathological liar or has some form of psychosis which allows you to believe a lie so immense that you yourself think it is the truth.
There are a lot of patients in that I have encountered with similar situations where they have fabricated a story of abuse or fantasy that they believed so intensely that once lie detectors are used it seems to have proven their story, while in further investigation they have found it to be false.
Also, failing lie detectors are common. Especially when you have not been eating and sleeping(as PSH has been). Erratic sleep patterns and loss of weight can contribute to high or low heart rates and also could cloud judgement towards a question.
I also believe that people are people whether or not they are celebrities. Yes, most people in this profession are forced to put up facade of innocence to attract more fans and to be accepted by the general public. But what the general public should remember is that they are still like us. When you get drunk with someone you are very attracted you might or might not indulge yourself. But who hasn't had a time in their lives when they slept with someone and thought of it as a mistake later? Or lets make it simple - Who has never made a mistake before that they are most embarrassed about? The only difference is we can hide it and most definitely celebrities cannot.
I am not a big PSH fan, but also having an uncle in the entertainment business I know what kind of scrutiny they are put through because of these so called "mistakes".
Omg just Omg ! I'm so sad for him ! So it The finale ! And he is done ! Omg I can't contain my disappointment ! I'm sorry for A but I really believe that he isn't the monster they think he is ! Like u said! And that it was just a mistake and a big one! Uffffff why did it happened why!??!!??? I hate when these things happens ! In this drama I REALLY Hate THE FRIGGEN ENDINg !
no body said he is a monster , even we think he is guilty for sleeping with a drunk girl it is just we think realistic .
if only a monster can be indicted in this whole world then we are trully living in hell
Haha....No drama can be this much good as this ^^ so PSH is FINISHED so is his career ..
AMEN!
Why are you so happy about it?
Cause they have different opinion as yours, maybe?
I wasn't sure this will be ending anytime soon but I suppose this is progress. Still not sure why the police department had to let the media know who passed or failed the test. It's not like they answer to the media...the only parties that should know the results of the test is the prosecution and defense but I supposed things vary from country to country.
Yes, it's like like giving their verdict. Even if backed strongly by evidence, the police giving out the result of the test to newsman is unexpected. Where people's lives are involved the law enforcement agencies should make sure that their part is done professionally so that justice is meted out.
I do find the police extremely unprofessional in giving out their reports. Something tells me someone is harassing the police with lawsuits left and right that the police decided to be downright outright.
In a country where politicians bitch-slap each other in parliament on TV, I'm not even surprised that gag orders are unheard of over there. It's a different system so I guess we'll have to get used to it?
They probably decided to reveal it, because Park Si Hoo's side have also been releasing stuff secretly to the media. i think they are just trying to defend themselves because PSH's lawyer keep on releasing statements.
I think the police dept had to give out the test results to the media officially because an "unnamed source" in the dept had already given out the results to some media outlets earlier. Even though the police dept stated that they were not the ones who leaked the results earlier, the media outlets insisted that they got the results from the source in the police dept and refused to retract the news report.
Of course, I do find the police dept's "generosity" in sharing "evidence" with the media rather unusual, because I always thought evidence should be kept confidential until presented in court, and made available only to the prosecution and defense. On the other hand, maybe the test results are not considered as evidence, and that's why they could release the results to the public.
No matter what, the police are the authorities/official bodies, and are expected to maintain a higher level of integrity, ethics and professionalism compared to lawyers, who are mostly just acting in the best interests of their clients.
I thought I had better clarify that lawyers are also expected to maintain a high level of integrity, ethics and professionalism, and most, if not all, do maintain such standards. They usually act in the best interests of their clients, without compromising their professional and ethical standards.
Whereas the police are expected to be impartial.
I do wonder what excuses will PSH fans come up with now. Maybe A slept with the entire western police department. Or she took something that allowed her to fake the results. Anything is possible coming from the people who go as far as to compare him to Jesus...
That's the cliffhanger for the next episode.
So far...corrupt police station, everyone is out to get PSH for some reason and the police are ignoring key evidence that shows A is a liar.
I agree with koala that the damning evidence in that video of her being carried in and K saying she was throwing up. No matter what his fans say, you just can't explain away that. She was not in the state of mind to consent to sex.
The international fans are currently throwing insult at the Korean Police, and other related stuff.
http://parksihoo4u.com/2013/04/01/psh-case-lie-detector-test-results/#comments
Yeah, but If it were the other way around and he happened to "pass" it, they would be singing a different tune.
Not much reaction on soompi yet.
http://forums.soompi.com/discussion/35526/park-shi-hoo-박시후/p106
More updates on the PSH4u-website... apparently PSH's lawyers have now started reacting more strongly, and have filed a Civil Rights petition to National Police Agency Inspector-General because of how the investigation was run.
Meanwhile, some fans are calling for a boycott of everything Korean, in protest for what is going on.
Errr.... Yeah.
if you want to know,just go to their main fanclub site. Still blamed A for drinking with 2 guys at night, saying that she gave consent when she stepped into his car. Blamed the police for purposely failing PSH's test and conspired against him, said that A had inside connection with the police dept, blamed others as usual.
Pretty irrational thinking, but understandably so. You want to believe someone you love till death, but this person isn't even someone they know personally. Anyhow, feel bad for those fans to be honest.
Well time for them to face reality. Let it serve as life's learnings and lesson. crime does not pay.
LOL. That is so true and such is the ridiculata from the PSH fans...
You say... but is ok to fail in the lie detector... but thing is A passed.
If A was this lying bitch the media was trying to make her, how she would pass it ??
Plus it isn't just one or two questions, it is a LOT. They stayed there for almost a day taking the test, and just late in the night PSH and K went home.
And K also failed, why? Because he was trying to stick with the same story as PSH, but in the end it didn't work.
Plus is funny how PSH, K or their lawyer try their best to make A the slut or show she was after money, but they can't prove PSH had her consent. Even the texts they wanted to use as proof was what the police told A to sent to K to test him.. A could be after money after being raped, yes, but does this mean she wasn't raped? No.
Soo, they are fucked up, and I hope B gets what she deserves too. hahahah
Soon we will have a statement of her saying PSH side trying to buy her and that she lied again loooooool
I agree with every single thing you said! Even if A was a slut and everything it wouldn't mean that she can never get raped!
This case reminds me of one of the cases in a Hong Kong Drama "Friendly Fire"! Lawyers tried to make her seem like a slut & a gold digger.
Credit: Polygraph Examiner site
Question:
If I'm nervous, could that make it look like I'm lying when I'm not?
Answer:
There appears to be universal concern over nervousness affecting the polygraph test. Guilty people tend to play this theme up in hopes that when they fail, they will be able to cast doubt on the test by saying they were too nervous to focus, etc. Innocent people ask this question genuinely. Being nervous will NOT not affect the test, in fact, nervousness is expected. The simplest explanation is this; However nervous you are, you are nervous continually throughout the test. When you are telling the truth or lying to an individual question, your internal bodily reaction is specific to that question and that moment in time. The two things look very different on the polygraph charts.
Question:
My wife/husband/partner/mate is a very smart, likeable and an extremely persuasive person. Is there a way that she can beat the test or convince you that she is telling the truth when in fact she's not? Basically, how do I know she won't fool you or the machine?
Answer:
Can I as the examiner be fooled by a smooth talker? Absolutely. You know I'd be lying if I said no. Everyone has been fooled at some time in their life. But that is not the important question. The important question is this: Do I as the examiner trust my feelings over my polygraph charts? That answer is a resolved 'NO'.
On many occasions, I've been convinced of someone's guilt or innocence from conversation during the pre-test interview before the polygraph test is run. After I run the test and the polygraph charts show my 'feelings' were wrong, I immediately change my perspective to match the charts. That is the only way I can be truly objective. I believe in my testing procedure so I trust my polygraph charts more than my feelings.
The second part of this question is whether someone can manipulate the polygraph charts so that they appear to be truthful when they are not. The answer is...they can certainly try. There is plenty of information available on the internet claiming to teach one how to pass a test when they know they are lying. I read that information too. The truth of the matter is that unless an individual has long term practice and access to a polygraph instrument with someone to run bio-feedback measurements, they are not going to successfully 'beat' the test. If I were given a polygraph test today and tried to 'beat' the test, I also would be unsuccesful even though I know exactly how the test and the techniques work.
With that said, I do employ the latest techniques and equipment to recognize and eliminate countermeasure attempts and I do so quite successfully.
THANK YOU.
Exactly!