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Material Queen Episode 5 Recap — 34 Comments

  1. This drama has such a lovely story. I always admire dramas that take a step outside the box and do something more daring and controversial than boy-meets-girl-misunderstanding-and-drama-ensues-and-then-they-live-happily-ever-after. Chu Man isn’t the kind of person I think I would like in real life, but the fact that this drama can make me understand her and want her to succeed despite that is pretty amazing. And I love how honest everyone is. Honesty might make for less “drama”, but I think it makes for a much better story in the long run, though it may be harder to write. Thanks for recapping this and sharing it with the world. ^_^

    By the way, is there a chance there’s an HD version of this? This drama is simply gorgeous, and the LD version of it definitely does not do it credit.

    • I’m looking for HD torrrents, too. I’ll let you know when I find it. This drama is just dazzling to look at, and the amazing story is completely just a bonus if you ask me. I was expecting pretty drama, stupid story. To have gorgeous drama, intelligent story is like I won the lottery as a viewer.

      • I wonder whether ur noe where to download this drama? Cos I couldn’t get it anywhere T___T

  2. this drama is one i am looking forward to watching when i have the time. the story is so different and the character believable 🙂

  3. Funny, I have similar feelings. I just started recapping Autumn’s Concerto two days ago on my blog and can’t get it out of my head. Van Ness Wu acted himself in my heart! XD
    First thing I realized when starting this TW-Drama that it’s hard to find HD-Raws or good subs. I was PISSED. I do admit that I haven’t watched that much TW-dramas since Black & White coz I found via You’re Beautiful the K-Drama world and got stuck with it since then. But I always liked the TW-productions and was so HAPPY to like Autumn’s Concerto. I had lot of troubles finding a good TW-Drama which was good enough for me to stuck till the end. Never came across a drama like Corner with love again. Never came across a drama where I cried like I cried then – with my boyfriend! XD

    Because you were recapping Drunken to love you I’m gonna watch it and after Autumn’s Concerto I’ll go on with Material Queen. *g* Van Ness Wu really got me as his fan now.

  4. I really loved the drama- unfortunately until this episode. Plotwise it’s ok, but the acting seems to have leveled off, meaning that I see no chance of any drastic improvement anytime soon from Vanness. He was just blatantly trying so hard to look sad that it didn’t really work for me. He kinda does this scrunches-face-up thing at those points and it makes me want to punch him more than cuddle him.

    I realllllly wish Jerry or someone were in his place, but alas. I will probably still follow for Lynn who is doing well, but it’ll be impossible to get really invested when I’m rather disgusted by the main guy.

    • VanNess was on autopilot throughout this drama. I guess he was not that good of an actor to be able to overcome his personal dislike of Lynn Xiong and put his heart into the role. In fact, he has admitted that the director had reprimanded him for his “distant” and “standoffish” interaction with her both on the set and during the press conference.

      Therefore, I am still puzzled by what Koala had said about seeing definite chemistry between the two leads.

      • I’m insanely allergic to Vanness’ acting, period. Yet I still feel his JH, no fail. Some actors can carry the burden of the role squarely on shoulders, and with their own sheer ability alleviates the role on paper to another beast on screen, others can do with some help and both V and Lynn got plenty top notch guidance in PDing and the material they have to work with, this script, it’s nth past Vanness dramas/movies can even come a planet close. Lynn is a newb, I can’t find fault in any scene she’s done so far in MQ. Would love a dissection with you if you have a particular scene in mind you hate what she brings on the table and a ShuQi have shown you better. But I’ve seen nth like a CM on TWdramas prior, so be precise.

        I’ve lapped up all those juicy bits of gossip of Vanness hating Lynn but I dun see any of that on screen unnecessarily. This is ep5 of 20, I think it geniusly befitting they don’t have smashing screen chemistry, it’s exactly where these characters need to be at, atm they have plausible reasons to be disgruntled of the other party yet there are tender moments of connection still perfuming. imo if you let all that BTS diva-ing clouds and festers itself in your mind and watch MQ through that unsavory lens, you r totally missing the boat, at least the boat I’m on, joined by Koala and gang.

        IMO, both actors r not crucial to what is essentially clicking in MQ, Lynn is much more natural in her style of delivering and I credit it to her days of modeling doing her good in being very aware and in sync with every part of her body and how to most effectively use the physical language and put it to good use as a form of expression and she is a better fit, but Vanness is made full use of every bit of his eccentricities by PD and the end result on screen WORKS, not by some natural chemistry but careful, marvelous design. Did I cringe though that shouty hollering speech towards Wang by JH? Very slightly, a frown, I had to admit. From me, a dramabi8ch that loves her crappy fluff and will never hold back a rant even over a tiny splinter, I really have my pondering on where you are coming fr in this drama experience. And I can’t brush off the sense you are enjoying it out of spite and ridicule. Like u r trying to pick out all the nasty bits of juice and when you can’t find much, you call it fucking lack there of. You can perfectly enjoy your drama your way though. Not here to judge. To each his own.

    • At this point I’m through discussing the strengths and weaknesses of the lead casts’ acting. It is what it is. My opinion is that focusing on Vanness’s acting as opposed to the entirety of MQ is like missing the forest for the tree.

      As for the chemistry between the leads, I see it. No one need be puzzled or confused that it’s there, but feel free to disagree.

      There are classic and innumerable examples of co-stars who loathed each other in real life but had great onscreen chemistry. Ryu Shi Won has admitted years later that on the set of Til The End of the World, he refused to talk to or even look at his co-star Kim Hee Sun in the face. When the PD yelled cut they would immediately turn away from each other and stalk off. But that drama made them both a huge star because they had incredible onscreen chemistry.

      I think Vanness’s heart is in the role. I feel it, despite the rough edges around the acting. And I find his awkwardness, however much just a limitation of his emoting, very fitting for this music-geek character.

      I now have revised my opinion, Jerry is not right for this role. Jerry is too confident in front of the camera. Jia Hao is a very self-doubting young man.

      • Wouldn’t that be a great premise for a drama? Why has no one done it yet? Two actors that loathe each other but have to play lovers? Epic. Or maybe I just missed that drama. In that case, someone should do it again. I’ve always been a sucker for the bickering lovers trope.

      • Hey, I assume your frustration was directed more toward jj because I certainly wasn’t the one who reintroduced the topic of individual acting ability again. I merely responded to his/her comment, which I thought is the purpose here. But if I had mistaken in my assumption and that differnt opinions (from those of the Mod) are not welcomed here, then I guess I’ve come to the wrong place.

        Let’s end on a good note that I agree with you about on-screen chemistry often exists between actors who in reality loathe one another. Most of these cases involve highly skilled actors whose uncanny ability to get into characters can supplant all personal feeling and produce great scenes. Somehow I don’t think the two leads in this drama are among the group of actors.

      • My comment was in response to the comment thread that encapsulated points raised by both of you.

        Of course I welcome diverging opinions than mine, always have, always will. But I sense that you really don’t like this show and have been repeatedly pointing out its flaws but in a way that presumes to imply that an alternative opinion couldn’t be had. To say you were confused about my seeing chemistry, does not that imply there is no chemistry, hence my seeing it confuses you? I just find the way you state your differing opinion rather passive-aggressive. It’d be much easier to say “there is no chemistry, I disagree with Koala” as opposed to some half-ass “I’m confused” comment.

        I love debate. But I also like to think there is a point to a continued debate. For example, there are plenty of dramas I don’t like or find fault with, but then I drop it and move on. I sense you don’t like MQ, so I’m curious as to the point of the ongoing comments about its lackings.

        I think at the beginning of a drama, it’s wonderful to dissect the acting, directing, etc., But up to episode 5, I just think it’s time to talk about the story now. Either you are in or you are out with the drama at this point. Which is why I said I am through talking about Vanness’ bad acting or Lynn’s great acting.

      • Ok, now I finally understand what have set you off: it was all because of my use of the word “confused”which has set off your massive analysis of what my intention really was. Well, let me tell you that you’ve way off base. I happen to find this drama entertaining precisely because of the flaws and have no intention of debating anyone here. It would have been an “assinine” excercise anyway because how one feel about a drama is highly subjective, just like you think MQ is the best Taiwanese drama of all time and that Lynn Xiong should be awarded the Golden Bell. What can anyone say to that?

        So, instead of using the wrong word “confused” which have run the risk of being interpreted as
        veiling some subversive motive, I guess I’ve learned to use a more affirmative way to express my opinion.

        “They have no fucking chemistry.” there, how’s that?

      • Wonderfully direct. Thank you.

        I respectfully disagree. Not the best chemistry, but it’s definitely there.

        No, I don’t think MQ is the best TW-drama of all time. I said it might be. But I haven’t proferred that opinion so try not to put words in my mouth. I also never said Lynn should win the Golden Bell. This is what I said “Lynn Xiong already has my nomination to contend for this year’s Golden Bell Best Actress.”

        Not sure why my opinions have been extrapolated to more than it currently is.

      • And you’re fucking welcome!

        Extrapolation of other’s opinion is precisely what set off this exchange so it behooves us to come full circle in ending it in the same manner.

      • I have not extrapolated your opinion or claimed you held an opinion you didn’t hold. I merely asked why your intention appeared to be passive-agressive in the way you state your opinion. You stated opinions I never once held and asserted that I held it. Two totally different things.

        I accept your explanation. But now you’ve decided to successive curse AT me twice. Now that is uncalled for and truly offensive. Not to mention unwelcome here. I find cursing undermines anything substantive you may have to say.

  5. Samesamesamesamesame. I watched it and I can’t let many thoughts go, the ep, these characters were in my head while I’m bored and checking time at the movie theater for HP. I’m actually holding dearly on the emotions that is all conjured up by one precious hour of this drama. I know.

    That 2 min of violin tutoring in the beginning ep gave me a rendezvous of falling in love, making my connection with Sena ie KT at the side of his piano teaching his Minami, his playing touches a resonance in her, she also sparks sth tender, lovely in him. LV was my KT vehicle. 1996. It was my ultimate drama first love of my life, nth has touched what that drama has done to me.

    That ending scene, shipped me back to the exact heart palpitations and gasps I had watching THE gambling scene @ God of Gambler, Golden HK movie era, nth has recaptured that same lvl of air-sucking, gripping tension of sharks ‘at play’. I dared not inhale anything that sashimi scene.

    This is shaking me. A drama experience hitting these emotions that nth else can even touch is back, it’s not making much sense, but the trip, the high, I had, the same.

    And I haven’t touched the Eugene-Dad scenes. I’m not ready, my nerves are still raw and I cried reading ur recap. By now, we know exactly once we have a flashback of Dad…floodgates! but that amt of perfection, precise plotting in a flashback that is played out on the exactly right note, not an ounce more on over-dramatization and histrionics. JawOnFloor. Seriously I have every scene and line of Dad haunting me the best way in my head, his warm smile, tearing me up randomly, sucks to be my spooked coworkers.

    There are so many scenes that are perfect and brilliant, one of them is that kiss. It’s not the kiss that gets me, nope. It’s how these characters express/compartmentalize their feelings towards the other. It’s not yet fully aware LOVE, but how JH cares for her not getting abandoned again, it’s exactly how sweet and a unselfish simple guy he is, at that moment, he is big enough a person to have every anguish (some of it must be hurt fr her inconsideration, how little he must mean to her) over his mistreatment in the hands of ChuMan vanishes and thinks of her feelings first. If this is not love, what is? And ChuMan, she doesn’t have the capacity yet to process what she sacrificed the opportunity for is putting his aspirations above her own, which hits us, but not her head yet this is sth so HUGE a first for her to do. And it’s so marvelously brilliant we saw CM fussing over the absurd like her sharp, hawk self should, but her fingers can’t wrap around sth this intangible and foreign to her, yet, such as LOVE. JH gives her a warmest hug in this overwhelming flush of emotions/gratitude towards her, to hold her and not make her feel abandoned physically, emotionally; CM gives him $500 NTD, her way to not make him feel abandoned, warped but so pragmatic, she treasures her hard cold cash more than her hug, her kiss…and thoughtful the CM way. In her head she must’ve flashed a JH, alone, sitting by the road with no means to be out of the situation. And $ and a taxi ride is the most practical quick fix, she won’t allow herself to touch the emotional wound of the abandonment and she’s always allowed $ to gloss over and numb.

    • There is almost a tinge of surreal quality to the way MQ is formed and displayed. The interactions between CM-JH add to this air of melancholy yet whimsy. They are almost like children playing dress up with their own skewed emotional crutches, but together they someone form this one wholeness, this completeness, that I’ve not seen in any OTP in god knows how long.

      I love the LV comparison. I’ve told you I didn’t connect with LV the way you did (I was conversely way more obsessed with the detached love that was With Love), but you’ve nailed the violin playing scene. I love how MQ wonderfully integrates Jia Hao’s violin playing talent and back story into the story, and intertwines it with CM from the first episode and now through almost every scene between them. Her materialistic drive and his violin insecurities are their two biggest weaknesses, and it’s almost always what they see about each other.

      The sushi scene was a killer. I swear all the air was sucked out of my surroundings watch YKM just take a razor sharp knife and peel away at CM. She’s no simpering fool, but he’s way more dangerous that she’s capable of facing, and I only hope he doesn’t turn evil. Right now I like YKM, because he’s a ruthless gentlemen with very transparent motives.

      When Jia Hao finds Chu Man waiting for him, the purse, the umbrella, the hug, the kiss, the NT 500, that scene was so exquisitely executed and paced. It felt as carefree and spontaneous for the two of them as their first kiss in Paris, but this time without any pretense. Sigh, I love their character’s nuances.

      I can write about MQ all day long.

  6. Still processing, myself! But first, where oh where have you found a version with simplified characters? Viikii is using what I presume must be a Taiwanese broadcast, with traditional characters, and it’s driving me mad. Twenty-seven strokes in one character ends up a muddy mess in LQ. I’m dying here for some simplified, if you have a source.

    Also: I didn’t read Chu Man’s reaction (after the Eugene reveal) to be superficial. More like, she’d done something genuinely and truly altruistic, and was a bit embarrassed and unsure of why. Her interactions with Xue and Miranda show she can be generous — when she’s getting something in return. But her choice to use her “one favor” from Yan and essentially gift that to JH was borderline out-of-character. Retreating into being a superficial twit seems to me like a defense mechanism, a subtle way to say: don’t think this is going to become a habit!

    I mean, she’s never given me the impression that she’s cruel — bitchy and willing to smack right back at anyone who’s trying to smack her — but she’s not mean-spirited or nasty. First, I don’t think Peter would be half so loyal to her if she were mean; second, I haven’t really seen her do anything to purposefully undercut any of her competition (like talk them down around other people); third, her reactions to the Due South crew could’ve been bitchy and imperious, but instead were awkwardly gracious, if a little standoffish. Ie, a bitchy line would’ve been to mock the stomach-warmer as low-class and ugly, but instead she deflects, turning it down but without going overboard in making the givers feel like crap.

    That scene with Wang dressing her down was absolutely dreadful, in that there was no way to not empathize with her — even as I was aware that Wang was putting the worst spin on things… and JH was putting the best spin on things. (Like not mentioning/knowing how she’d chased other guys even while seeing Wang.) I was on the fence in a way, despite the gut sense of empathy because I so loathe such public humiliation myself.

    But somehow, that scene was an emotional drop compared to the emotional deluge of the final scene. Again with the awe for the script and the PD, to bookend those settings: from two people at the start of the episode, having a heart-to-heart about following your heart, to a noisy party with its backstabbing, revelations, and peace-making, to two people… having a heart-to-heart about… when you can’t follow because you’ve nowhere to go. The sheer bluntness of addressing Chu Man’s age (late twenties! for crying out loud!) and the rapidly approaching end of her career — something she can do nothing about — just killed me. I have no idea where the script is taking Yan (emotionally) so I don’t know if he’ll be redeemed, but his words were true cruelty. It’s not like she doesn’t know the facts, but he drives it home, hard. If she feels trapped by the end, it’s because he’s the one doing the trapping — even literally, coming down the table to lean over her. Marvelous direction, there. Subtle, but reinforcing his maneuvers. (You’re totally right about the big shark and the itty baby shark.)

    How soon until the next episode?

    • I’m pretty sure the characters are traditional…? Videos with simplified characters probably won’t come out until this airs in mainland.

      • ahahah DOH. I think my brain was broken (too much work!) and I immediately concluded simplified… mostly b/c traditional ends up so squished (especially in LQ) that it’s illegible. (The problem is that I learned simplified and now am buried in traditional, and now I just get easily confused.) It would probably help to find a HQ d/l, and then I wouldn’t be dealing with fuzziness on the screen in the first place… cripes, this show’s so gorgeous I want it in HQ just to enjoy everything else twice as much!

    • This was the CTS torrent, traditional characters. There is no torrent with simplified character because it hasn’t aired yet in China.

      I’m counting down the days until episode 6 as well. This isn’t good, the dying for new episodes.

      I agree with you that the CM purse-umbrella scene was her odd defense mechanism after doing something genuinely kind and selfless for JH. It’s just funny that what she did was so important and meaningful to JH, and you juxtapose it to how superficial she wants to act like she is to off set it.

      YKM in that sushi scene was absolutely cruel, but not unnecessarily. I think CM can handle that type of honestly from him. Still, girl was cut down over and over in this episode. At times I cringed because it wasn’t like she didn’t have a hand it, but I still felt bad for her.

      • The sushi scene underscores (if with a different take on it) what Peter meant by saying she’s seen the uglier side of reality. This would be one of those ugly things, that her value is purely dependent on her age and without her youth, she’s nothing. It’s not that it’s untrue (it’s true, for the industry) or that it’s dishonest (it’s quite honest), but that he purposefully raised the topic (of re-trying for the spokesmodel role, which she hadn’t even broached or even seemed to think of) and then used it to slam her down. She’s been frozen by her agency, but not fired, so she’s not without resources (hell, I don’t think she’s capable of being without resources), but he positions everything to pressure her quite skillfully… and really, to get her to give him something (the market) for which any return is only dangled, not certain.

        If anything, her willingness to consider an exchange in which she’s not getting a clearly-designated return value (with YKM) is just as out-of-character as her role in getting Eugene to talk to JH.

        Of course, if we re-watched the scene on mute, it’d probably seem a lot less like a sign of impending doom. The soundtrack selection really ratcheted up the tension, if a bit heavy-handed about it, but still. Hard to deny the music has a major impact on how I find myself reacting to YKM. (And rewatching just now, sheesh, it really was just a few notes shy of the Jaws theme!)

        You mentioned the notion of the girl being the one to save the prince (which prince?), and I think that’s what I like most about this series. Usually the woman is the one supporting the guy’s dream (ala the encouragement-scene that started this episode), but in the course of doing so, if she also benefits, it’s supposed to be something that, oh, happens! Like, gee, I didn’t expect that, insert eyelash-batting and innocence here. Unless she’s just standing in the wings while he’s getting the spotlight, of course. Here, yeah, she supported him, but only in the pursuit of her own goals. Any goodness for him was a lucky happenstance.

        I don’t think that makes her shallow or bitchy; I think it makes her (in a storytelling structure) the masculine role. She’s the active agent. If JH had his way, he’d be working nights at a five-and-dime and pretending like he’d never seen a violin. She’s pulled him out of his funk (or kicked him out, more like) but she didn’t have to sink to the only other role (usually) available to women to do that, of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl. I like the fact — no, I love the fact! — that she has her own goals and he’s secondary to them: good to have if he’s useful, easily forgotten when he’s not. It’s why in the reviews for ep6, with its hints that she helps take down the Due South Market, that I’m not surprised nor even disappointed. I’d only be disappointed if at only ep6 she were already sinking down into yet another drama-heroine who sublimates her own needs for Twu Wuv.

        Actually, I want to see her claw her way to the top, and tell the rich men to take a hike because now she’s the rich one and can marry whomever she wants.

  7. Okay. Fine. You’ve convinced me. I’ll marathon this till I’m up to speed. My house will never be clean again. I will wear wrinkled clothes the rest of my life. My children will forget who I am. My husband won’t recognize me anymore. But it will all be worth it…right? 🙂

  8. I love that you blog about twdramas as frequently as korean dramas. This is really the only blog where I can find interesting tidbits regarding twdramas and even some mainland chinese drama not to mention recaps. If not for all the promo stills, teasers etc that you highlighted in posts prior to the drama actuallt airing I would have most likely overlooked Material Queen from the get go. As it is now I was more than willing to check it out when the first episode came out 🙂 And I would have missed Black and White entirely if I hadn’t read about your high opinion of it. Finished marathoning through that drama a couple of months ago and that sure was worth it! Loved it!

    Also I’m learning a lot from these recaps, my chinese is mediocre but I learn a lot just rewatching the episode after the recap ^^ So major thanks!

  9. thank you for the splendid recaps, ockoala! i haven’t been able to catch the last two episodes of MQ, but im excited to pick them up when i have the free time! chu man remains the center of the drama, and im def. watching for this compelling character and the way her modus operandi sheds light on a couple of interesting questions about our society today. her logic is flawed, but i sympathize with her b/c i can see why she thinks the way she does, given her circumstances during childhood. it’ll take a while for her to realize love over money, but im totally invested in how she finally gets there!

  10. One other question: in the scene where JH comes running back, did it look to you like YKM was more than a little surprised? Granted, the actor’s playing the character verrrry close to the chest, but still, the reaction looked to me like something close to someone startled by the realization that his expectations did not play out like he expected. It plays like he maneuvered her only after finding out JH was from Due South, but that surprise made it seem to me that perhaps YKM was already tallying up what he could demand (from CM) due to JH defaulting? Did you (or anyone else) get that impression from that point? Just curious…

  11. Mrs Koala,

    If it weren’t for you, TW dramas might have remained hidden gems to many of us. 🙂

    Gotta say that your It’ll turn her into a liar in Yen Kai Ming’s eyes, but c’est la vie had me grin!!! Ha ha. What a way to give a shout-out to Vanness’s very recent album release “C’est la V”. ^^

  12. Thanks for the recap. I’m really enjoying this show. The interactions between the characters, their motivations, the conversations they have, even the look and feel of the drama all interest me. The story is definitely not typical and I like the way the conflicts between JH and CM are shaping up. I love that the story is not about a giant misunderstanding, but instead the understanding each character has of another and how that shapes their interactions and relationships…seems more like real life, but still dramatic. (a more typical drama would easily have kept the fake billionaire ruse for the whole series- glad that didn’t happen here)

    I love Chu Man. I probably wouldn’t like her in real life, but in the show I love how confident and “about her business” she is.

    As for Van Ness’ acting- I don’t have a problem with it. I’ve never seen him in anything else so I can’t compare. IMO Lynn Hung sometimes seems conscience of her acting because her face can be overly expressive (that “I know there’s a camera at 12 o’clock” look), but still I don’t have a problem with her acting either. They are just such an interesting couple together, JH and CM…Seems like Chu Man is about to get herself involved is such horrible betrayal to JH and everyone at the market. I so badly want to stop her.

  13. waves! new watcher and lurker on this drama. havent been watching twdramas so much since i was drowning in kdramas for a while. i only started this and DTLY.. and i really love MQ and im glad it has a following here. its not the norm twdrama ive seen before. im really impressed. i saw bits if AC but wasnt too into it.. but wow. i must say vanness improved since his earlier dramas. and im one of those ppl who think he fits jia hao actually. since i can picture his charater irl. the director and writer is awesome for this. characters are well written. hope this cotinues upward. likewise, i thinknthis drama has loads of potential not to be missed. look forward to more recaps. yes i need this my chinese is rusty lol thanks!!

  14. i gotta say this drama is turning out better than i expected
    didnt expect much from the storyline or genre but it’s enough to keep me wanting to watch more
    xiaotung is so attractive here~how is he nearly 36 years old????unbelievable, such a baby face
    and i have to say that his acting has improved definitely over the past 10 yrs
    not perfect but definitely better
    i love watching the bts as well, he really is a carefree soul now
    i guess he’ll have to be in order to survive the the crap he’s gone through his career and from the pressure the media has given him
    anywayz, i know this is a story about chu man and jia hao
    but it would be so cool if chu man felt something or at least appreciated the sincerity of yen kai ming
    nevertheless i’ll for sure continue to watch

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