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Cheongdamdong Alice Episode 15 Recap — 43 Comments

  1. oooo me first its sad such a let down after all that time invested alost makes want to give up on kdrams but its almost the end so i am just goiung to watch

    thanks for still recapping koala

  2. Ms Koala,

    Although the story and writing may be a bit lacking, this drama is amazing. Great acting from MGY and PSH! I feel that this episode is very much needed so that SJ can wake up and face reality and get to really know SK and who she really is. Isn’t that one of your complains in early posts? From this episode, viewers can tell that SK really understand and believe in SJ. I love how SJ was following SK on the subway, he now see from her point of view, how HER reality life is like. At least now he can understand her thoughts regarding what she did. I am sure they will have a happy ending, looking forward to tonight’s episode! Fighting MGY!!!

  3. Lol not going to comment on the plot or disjointed story that is
    However will agree through that I am actually worried for Yoon Joo. Somehow whether intentionally or not, she has been written as a pretty strong willed woman. And I like her character and admire her. Didn’t agree with all her decisions but she has balls. I hope the writer remembers her story and gives it a good ending. I have not liked the way her husband has treated her the whole series. So hope she will get her life together after this. Like maybe help run some Royal Group stores or something. After all, we all know SJ and SK will end up together.

    • Yes, I want YJ to succeed too. Maybe turn out to be better at handling business than her husband.

      Then YJ gets to manage a branch or a store and becomes frenemies with In Hwa, competing over who gets the most sales every month or something.

  4. Though this episode was a bit slow…lots of talking, I still enjoyed it very much. We finally got SJ out of his fantasy land and we see him fighting to understand SK. It’s funny how every time he brings a piece of evidence to her SK is able to counteract it and give him something to think about.

    Really curious to how the story would wrap up…can’t wait.

  5. Koala, the actress playing Yoon Joo, did lead a drama called glowing she. Interesting tidbit did anyone catch that in all this SJ is Alice and SK is the white rabbit.

    • I thought that exact same thing. Especially in the ending sequence. I was trying to figure out if it just ended up that way or if that was the plan all along.

    • i started feeling that a couple episodes ago but definitely in this episode. I mean the drama had its flaws and was dragging the past couple episodes but when we consider Seung Jo as Alice, the narrative makes more sense.

  6. I actually thought the episode wasn’t so bad, however, it wouldn’t have been so bad if it actually was aired at least 2-3 episodes ago (bare minimum). I would have preferred ep 10 too. It’s just WAY too late and I’m knew that he didn’t have mental issues, which is why I kept harping on him in comments after comments, episode after episode about how he needs to freaking grow up, be a man and learn how to love properly. After 14 episodes last week, I actually started to think he might be sick and kinda forgive him b/c the story was just so ridiculous. So happy that SK called him out on that cause I have been waiting for that forever.

    I agree… it is way too late to delve into the real issues. Just give me the make up and the cutsy stuff afterwards. I gave up on the story, just give me fanservice at this point. Why in the world did this show spin its wheels over and over on what was the biggest waste of time? Anyhow, I could spin circles about the issues I had. Despite all of this, I still love and will miss our OTP greatly. I don’t have any new kdramas on my radar. At the very least, I hope tomorrow will be satisfying.

    Thanks Capt K for all the recaps. 🙂

    • One more comment… I just can’t believe that someone with business smarts as himself, that SJ could not even have guessed that it was his father that bought his painting. Sheesh! Who in the heck else shells out that much money, esp since he knows that his father is capable of shelling out that much money. That really just proves SK’s point. In any case, I think hard work is super important, but luck does play a role as well. I can’t believe (ok maybe I can but don’t want to) that SJ would say that about SK’s situation even after knowing what kind of a worker she is. Jerk – I wanted to sock him. HAHA. 🙂

      • I think the point is that he couldn’t get passes his preconceived idea of his father to realize that he bought the picture to help him. Their relationship is so screwed up that he only thinks of his dad as someone who tries to block and control him that it never would have crossed his mind that he is the one who bought it. Plus, there is also the fact that Il Nam never displayed any interest in Seung Jo’s art before.

  7. So most of this show was just a waste of time. I knew SJ would be magically better, but I didn’t think they would just say lol I’m not really sick. Maybe he needs a new doctor that can’t be so easily fooled. Interesting questions and viewpoints this episode, but this should have happened a long time ago.

    • So glad I dropped this show after episode 4. Or maybe it was 6, I really don’t remember. I just couldn’t see how they could redeem the storyline after that, but I’ve been reading through your recaps out of sheer curiosity.

      MGY and PSH are still good actors – it’s more of the content itself that is getting me frustrated.

  8. i’m so, so happy that I dropped this show after 9 episodes 😀
    By the way, I wasn’t impressed by Yoon joo in “You’ve fallen for me”, but here she is really good(from what I watched)….

  9. I also like Yoon Joo. Although she chose money over love and left the guy (like typical second leads), one interesting difference was the writers never made her choose SJ again, she never went back to “oh, i love him more than money” mentality or even “with him, I can have both” mentality.

    I do not like all her decisions but I love how she sticks by them quite honorably (from what I understand from your recaps).

  10. ms koala, stop criticize this drama. you’re totally wrong. i like traditional and honest girl.i can see a girl like se kyung as my wife.thanks for your recap anyway.

    • Ms. Koala can criticize all she wants. This is her blog, and there are plenty of other forums to fit your taste if all you want is someone to agree with you. I happen to agree with her comments about the storytelling, which has clear narrative weaknesses and illogical character behavior.

      To question your statement concerning “traditional and honest girl(s)”–who are you referring to? The girl whose basic premise was to deceive and wile her way into high society and marry rich? Is a gold-digger your idea of traditional and honest?

      Se Kyung is NOT a particularly good person, and she has plenty of glaring faults. But I guess even though types of people need to get married, so feel free to take those types off the market.

  11. This drama focus more on “worldview” discussion.. and not giving an enough amount on “action” it feels like i have been watching debaters with nice looks and good outfits.

      • Same as you! But you know, PSH fans are so sensitive 🙂 Lots of comments for MGY (bad comments). Do you know, what am i thinking right now? If PSH and MGY become couple in real life, what will they do? Hee hee… anyways, moonhoo couple fighting 🙂

  12. Capt K, everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. I for one have a different perspective. If one watches CDDA purely on the surface just for entertainment factor, then it really sucks big time. The drama has such a shallow plot. How can it even compare with the likes of melodramas or even other rom-Com that are full of action be they great expressions of happiness or dramatic sadness?

    However, if one dives deeper and take a literary approach to the way the writers and directors have portrayed social and basic human behavior through the lens of a children’s fairy tale, then one can see the brilliance of this drama.

    It really depends on what you want to see. Isn’t this what Alice in Wonderland is all about?

    • I totally agree with what you’re saying. Some people aren’t getting the true meaning of this drama. They watch it for entertainment and they only want to see what they want to see. I know that this drama was brilliant not because I’m a die hard fan of MGY but I understood the story behind this drama. That there is such thing as love. And one will do anything to stay alive and live a good life with such love. There’s much more meaning to this drama then some viewers will ever care to find out.

    • I’ve noticed some k-drama watchers blindly support dramas they enjoy. It’s kind of ridiculous. God forbid someone say something negative about it, it’s almost like someone has kicked their dog. It’s just a show, don’t take criticisms so freaking personally. It’s part of life.

  13. Err..but I don’t like Yoon Jo. she begged most of the time ( begged to Cha Il Nam, begged to In Hwa)?? and again..her scenes..I FF most of it.. I couldn’t connect to her emotionally. I only watched her when her scene was with SK. She was like this very selfish person. ( She left Seung Jo and hoping for everyone (SJ) to cover for her??) but written so well to be accepted by audience. How is that for a character…No no.. She is not smart in a good way..really.

    • THAT is precisely why I like YJ. At the beginning she seemed like the “mean girl”. I thought she’d stay a villain.

      But then they slowly developed her into a real person–and a smart, savvy, determined one with cast-iron balls. She and SK became so close to being good friends in the middle.

      She’d have been a little bit too perfect that way in an anti-hero sort of way. She’d have been sort of like an arch-villain whose genius is pitted against the other villains for the sake of the hero.

      So then we are shown her weakness. We are shown her even worse off than the way SK was when she begged Tommy Hong. I love the dynamic parallels, spoken and unspoken, between those three characters.

      In the scene when YJ kneeled, I really expected SK to pull her up. People never do anything for just one reason. At minimum, there is a reason we are willing to admit out loud and a reason we don’t even want to admit to ourselves. Since YJ and Tommy Hong are both “black” neither of them is willing to admit that they see their lost hope in SK. When they begged, they never regained confidence in their self worth.

      But SK did, and that’s why they follow her; they want to do the same thing. That’s why YJ becomes so pathetic for a while–she keeps kneeling down. And everytime she does it makes her feel worse.

      I like her for all of it.

  14. Yes, yes, how brilliance they are! That’s why i am stick with this drama and proud to be CDDA Fan. As a international fan, language is important. This drama get high rating more and more in their own country but some international fans said they drop it. Coz they don’t understand korean. So, they don’t know about the purpose of CDDA. They just wanna see opt 🙂 same as me 🙂 I had nap while i was watching episode 15 coz they’re talking and talking. But, reading recap again and again can see their purpose 🙂

  15. I thought this episode was not bad (not great mind you, but not bad). Five minutes in, I expected to be bored out of my skull but I kind of enjoyed it. Maybe it was just the novelty of having the two characters who need to be talking to each other actually talking to each other about the topic that they need to talk about… we’ve had so little of that the past few weeks. This episode is definitely not enough to save the show, but, if it had aired three weeks ago, I would have been very pleased with it.

  16. Thanks Koala for the recap. I rarely watch Korean dramas (because I know that once I start, I would not want to stop), but since you started recapping Big, I thought maybe that’s what I needed for Korean dramas – to not be crazy over watching, but enjoy it little by little reading. I found that reading your recaps is refreshing and insightful and I’ve predicted some things through it as well. It helps me pace myself in this busy world. Although this hasn’t been a great drama, per se, but I still enjoy reading your recaps every weekend. Thank you for seeing it to the end, else, I’ll be forced to find an English sub one online and watch it. I don’t like to stop something halfway. I tried watching DGGG, but I only had time to watch the first episode like 2 months ago and haven’t picked it up since then. If only you recapped that one.. ^_^

    One thing that I still haven’t figured out about this episode was how Seung Jo was not at all mad or even questioned Yoon Joo. I think if I was a natural person and wanting to find out about things, maybe it’s better to talk to the other person in the video as well. But oh well. Like you said, there is a lot of flaws in the scriptwriting so I’ll stop questioning and just enjoy the recapping. One more episode to go! I hope it will be a good one.

  17. Watching a drama 3 o’clock in the morning and not falling asleep determines whether a drama is good or not. To me, it’s good. Draggy in the past few episodes but it’s still quite decent.

    Good acting.The ideas, themes the drama are exploring, give me a good insight of the real world we’re living in. You just can’t expect every episode to be fabulous, full of LOVESSSS or kisses right?(although I’m longing for one also). The drama has the sense of reality in it with touches of korean drama elements.

  18. My favorite character is also Yoon Joo. She seems to be the most well developed character with lots of depth. She also seems the most real. It could be the actress bringing that out though. I love how she is always very cool and elegant in whatever she does. I can think of two scenarios that are going to happen for her: 1. She doesn’t ask for Seon Jo’s help and divorces her husband. 2. She asks/Seonjo offers for help and she will still ask for a divorce, because I can see that she has enough pride to leave behind a husband and his family that would just look down on her every chance they get if she stayed. And the only reason she would even help with the outlet problem would be to show how disgusting it was for her husband to have asked her to do it in the first place.

  19. this ep was a bit draggy for me the first time watching it….i was surprised the talk towards the end when SK and SJ discuss hardworking and poverty was not done at the airport scene…second time watching it…find a deeper meaning and so enjoyed it. its like LTM ep 16, so much disappointment when watching it live and start to appreciate more after re-watching it.

    the final few minutes of CA ep 15 was daebak, finally a wake up call for SJ and hope the best for YJ in next ep and that SJ SK to make up soon.

  20. Well, well now I’m just hoping for YJ to divorce her husband, not I hate the man, but I’m not fond of him and I really hate his family, rotten to the bone. Please YJ leave them!

    It would be great if YJ & SK work together in fashion and make it big. That would be so damn thrilling (love to see YJ sister in law and mother in law figurative slap in the face). Please PDnim don’t male YJ pregnant with her husband to solve the problem, PLEASE!!!!!

    SJ need a wake up call, well the fact that his father bought his paintings could help. He went out of poverty thanks to his dad, meaning he was never poor, because he has his father weath supporting him from birth till now. So SJ knows nothing about real poverty and hardships, please big baby SJ wake up from your dream.

    A real pity they waste the two or four last episodes, this drama would have been so great…

  21. good writing, koala is too smart to understand the pov of a person who is deeply hurt. And treated like, nobody. I suggest you try to fall in love. she’s so desperate to be love by somebody. Don’t be a smarty pants.

  22. Totally agree with you koala.this drama had been a waste of my time had it not been the psh antics in this early episode. Apparently, when the weight of the drama shifts somewhere, it fell and did not get carried on well. The script was ambitious but falls flat on the love front or narrative front., it lost it for me 5 episodes ago.

  23. From the very start, does it ever said by Seung Jo himself that he has PSTD? I mean, yes he’s consulting his doc friend but hey, I don’t think it was really mentioned or revealed by seung jo himself. And I think that others are just assuming he suffered from that just because of what he did to Yoon Jo as revenge. (Or should I watch it again to unwind. )

  24. Ugh, the drama drives me crazy. I’m in total agreement with Ms. Koala that the really interesting issues this drama was ostensibly about were not explored until this episode. Mainly, this could have been a really wonderful observation or commentary on the 1% vs. the 99%. Here’s how I originally envisioned this story developing:

    SK is a poor, hardworking girl who realizes that her efforts would never be validated and thus throws away her ethics to enter CDD and marry rich. Along the way in her pursuit of a white rabbit, she falls in love with her target and him with her. However, because of her tainted initial motivations, she has to continue deceiving SJ to have both love and money. Of course this charade isn’t going to last, and everyone finds out (i.e., SJ). At this point, we should be at episode 10 or so. After this point, this is where it should have gotten really good.

    The themes I was hoping for (and seemed to be part of the premise) were (1) How do the wealthy of CDD see themselves (people of privilege, like SJ) vs. people not of CDD (like SK)? (2) Is marriage and a strong relationship built only on pure love, or is it fair and understandable that things like money and security are part of the package? (3) Can SJ understand SK’s motivations to overcome the deception and see her true feelings?

    We just got a taste of these issues in episode 15, and a lot of time was wasted on the build up to revealing THE BIG SECRET. Too much airtime was wasted with intercepting cell phones, furtive meetings, and running around to shield SJ and his state of mind. Why was the focus on SJ’s mental health, which was a topic that was heavily covered (e.g., SJ taking meds, the doctor making comments on how SJ blocks out bad news and acts as if they never happen, SJ’s inability to cry or naturally process his feelings, SJ’s dad telling SK to protect him, etc.), if the show just waived away those issues with one comment from SK (i.e., you’re just an attention-seeking man-child)? If SJ really is just be immature, is that really a characteristic of the protagonist that a show should focus on for such a freakin’ long time? SJ doesn’t come off as very heroic or likable in that case.

    What I would have really liked to have seen were some adult conversations exploring how someone as privileged as SJ can understand someone with SK’s background. SJ is out-of-touch with the opportunities and hardship of someone poor (just starting to be explored in ep15), and he doesn’t see all of the subtle and inherent advantages of someone from CDD (e.g., great education, money to study abroad, the knowledge in the back of your mind that daddy’s company is there, the fact that daddy IS actually there helping in the background, etc.). That would have been a really strong second story-arc (the first being getting over Yoon Joo) for SJ’s personal development to seem him overcome his prejudices.

    The bones for all of these things are in the drama. For example, I loved SK’s question on why does society view differently a poor person marrying for reasons other than love (like economic security) than a rich person who does the same (like marrying for business)? And in this episode, SJ is starting to have his eyes opened on the power of being born as a CDD insider (Dad and the painting).

    In the end, I know that this is suppose to be a love story. However, the conflicts can still be real and the issues deep. I feel like there was a real missed opportunity, and the story that the show decided to tell instead was not nearly as rich and moving as I had hoped.

  25. You wrote: “Seung Jo doesn’t have PTSD? He’s merely an attention-starved immature wanker who acts loco to get his friends and family to notice him?”

    Ah me! I’m so glad I didn’t commit to actually watching this. I’m amazed how disappointed one can be by a rom-com but once again…disappointment. Thanks for enduring actually watching this for me. Heaven knows why i’m so interested in the recaps. So disappointed in this drama.

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