The Park Yoochun allegations of rape and ensuing police investigation continues to heat up and with makes it harder and harder to believe that his entertainment career will ever recover. As of today there are now four accusers who have filed a sexual assault charge against Yoochun and the police are investigating all of it. The accusers have all given preliminary statements and interviews and the media is reporting the allegations share distinct similarities. The accusers all claim that each was raped by Yoochun in a bathroom (whether at a bar or at his house), and each time Yoochun held the door shut and wouldn’t let them out. He also forced them to sit or kneel by using his hands to push down their shoulders.
Yoochun’s camp has taken the offensive against the first accuser and this week filed an extortion lawsuit against her, claiming that she first tried to blackmail Yoochun for 1 billion won prior to filing her police report. Savvy folks will notice that Yoochun’s lawsuit was not for defamation, which means there was sexual intercourse in the bathroom and the issue is now whether it was consensual or forced. At this point it’s hard to deny that Yoochun sleeps with sex workers in bathrooms, and even if it was all consensual then his fans will have to be okay with the repeatedly sleeping with sex workers in bathrooms bit of tawdry kinkiness to continue to support him. That’s devotion for ya if he does still have true believers in his camp.
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koala did you hear about Kim Min Hee dfating director Hong Sang Soo (married!)... an affair for a year , poor Jo In Sung
Jo Insung broke up with her almost 2 years ago, so I wouldn't pity him. Instead I'd be glad he broke up with someone as classless and bitchy as KMH. He deserves so much better and then some.
How are both incidents even comparable? Lol she is dating someone,again not exploiting him or made him divorce his wife or something.Or even if she did,that's not the level of crime that Yoochun did.I would not even say she committed a crime,when both the party hold equal share of responsibility here.Why her name is being mentioned only? Such sexist regards everywhere lol.Also,how Jo in sung is pitiable here or even deemed so I wonder.
yeah, how is an action between two consenting adults even comparable to the monstrosities Yoochun's been accused of.....Kim Min Hee didn't have that affair alone.
I'm not comparing YC and KMH, I'm only commenting in the most recent post about it, because I found out and I'm shocked. Both pd and KMH are to blame for this.
You reached a lot lol.
The more I hear about this case, the worse it gets. He's a disgusting bastard and I hope the women are safe
Its odd to me that specific details about the alledge crime is out in the open...is it common practice in Korea to release statements to the public pending investigation or was it leaked information ? If so is it reliable information or fabricated-- for bias/non bias reactions from the fan as well as the anti fan??Hmmm just an observation.
Some "exclusive" news got found out it was from a long time fan reporter. People confirmed it by searching her by her email on twitter.
Some info is released just by one source is also fishy and can be fabricated.
And the details being show/posted in the media, sometimes, the star company do it, to make public/fans confused, making them not follow the many articles about it, and having doubts about he being guilty or the victims being innocent.
PSH did so much dirty media play, that many believe he didn't rape the girl and she was after his money, same with KHJ's news, so many articles, shaming the girl or giving extra/fake info, making many fans believe there wasn't a baby!
Sometimes, the powerless victims also use media to gain streght and focus, this way the police/stars can not bury it without it getting the real investigation they need. By going to media, they force police to investigate it right and the victim have more chances to win their cases.
Hmmm...so much power play ...so much dirty play...this is for sure though, you reap what you sow...scary thing Karma it's a b!#ch:(
+1. Me, got the same queations. So obvious the Korean litigation system is different from that in the US.
I'm really interested to know if S. Korea has FOIA (Freedom of Information Act). Reason being, I've heard, in S. Korea you have to log into the internet by using your Social Security Number or the equivalent. If that's so, how does the Country protect one's privacy from media sources?
i was not a fan of him before and never got the hype why he was so popular. But he seemed like a nice guy from the outside but i guess never judge a book by its cover.
OMG lol same. I was never drawn to him, and did wonder why he was so popular. But if there was one thing I liked about him, it was that I *thought* he gave off a comfortable, friendly-guy-next-door vibe. Like he might not be that attractive, but he'll help a dog cross the street or something.
LOLOLOL how wrong we all were. Just goes to show people are super complicated creatures, and identity exists in multiple layers. In real life I've met guys that exuded an aura of honesty or kindness ... only to find out later that they're secretly mega creeps.
All that comes to my mind is
"Bathrooms again?!"
Man, I would have thought he could get a room somewhere, anywhere!
I think sex with all 4 women are not in argument now - so oppa did sleep with all 4 and possibly many others. I'm not one to judge his personal life but yeah - who's gonna believe him acting so innocent never been kissed devoted for life male lead ever again!
he is an actor, being so innocent on screen is all a professional act. He is an award winning celebrity. Reality is often so different from what we see on TV.... I guess this may apply to all other artists in the trade? hmmmm....
Observations from he said/she said = the dude's pretty damned either way.
1) If this is some pay-back for the DBSK breakup and JYJ formation - sad for Yoo Chun. Boils down to how powerful his agency is against the forces out there that is out for pay back time.
2) Yes Micky does seem to enjoy sex in the bathroom, and with sex workers but if that's his thing ... well, no comment. Fans also have to realize that dols fart, have booger in their noses and well ... do stuff. Idols outside of their roles ... aren't lily white virgins waiting to indulge romantic fan notions of dating one of them fans one day either.
3) If it was indeed rape - I hope justice will be served for the women
4) What stands out are these women involved are also sex workers - not just clueless girls off the street. Being in the industry as professionals, they're can't be innocent babes in the woods, in fact pretty streetwise. How does he coerce them all into bathrooms, and what were they expecting by following him in there - handing ot toilet paper? (many moons ago in the 90s? bf and i as international students popped into what we thought was just a Korean pub for drinks in Korea - got dinked so hard for one drink each. bill came up to something like over US$120 (for 2 drinks total) by the 'ladies' who weren't harmless pretty aunties - got discount after we argued, and mentioned we were students with no money on us.
I agree with your statement.I'm glad that there are still logical opinions out there-- versus the bias nonsensical comments.
Yes. And while I'm here I'd like to object to the euphemism "sleeping with". Let's respect each other by referring to it by its proper term, "having sex with" or "having sexual relations with". Clients do not go to these kinds of clubs nor are sex workers employed there for the purpose of catching up on sleep.
Ditto! I agree with you.
lol you trying to be neutral but is so biased.
And you also tried to victim blame the women because they are sex workers.
This is why YC picked sex workers, because people like you would judge them for it, and say they can't be raped. Or they aren't innocent ~
And SM didn't force him to go to room salons and have sex with prostitutes. He was regular, he is an adult, he did it himself, no SM cospiracy please.
"How does he coerce them all into bathrooms"
Hm, how about using streght? They are sex workers not super strong women.
and what "were they expecting by following him in there " well maybe they expected him to go to second floor, where is how they pay and have sex.
How they would know YC would lock them in the bathroom and doesn't pay for sex. do b
what what what... did I read it correctly that you said someone has to walk through the bathroom to go to the second floor to get paid? LOL... hahaha... I am not saying who is right or wrong here... but just so funny reading this just does not make any sense!! As a woman, going into a bathroom with a man is just NOT right... stop arguing please
+1. Makes sense to me.
Actually it's not right to say just that they are sex workers perhaps they should know better
Even if they went to the bathroom intending to have some hinky, well heck even if they showed some flesh to make him think he's gonna get laid.. At any point in time when the woman says no, the gentleman should stop. thats non consent.
anything beyond that, it's rape yo
+1
If people are confused about the idea of consent (aka someone can call a stop to sexual relations no matter the stage of sexual contact they are in) please watch the following video from the BRITISH POLICE DEPARTMENT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ
telling that your number one is yu trying to blame this entire affair on his previous company. jyj fans remain deluded and i guess their old habit of victimiing their oppas and never letting them take the blame is hard to suppress. park yoochun was always scummy with beating up his fans and people who followed them back then knew that he was always involved in tawdry stuff they just protected his reputation well. if his previous company wanted to play dirty they could've done it years ago.
what a way to undermine the actual victims here and turning them into some part of a coonspiracy theory. fans can be awful but everytime things like this happen you see it in full force.
This just keeps getting worse and worse.
There's no way he's going to be able to continue in entertainment now, the only question is whether this is going to taint the rest of JYJ too.
His face disgusts me these days *shiver*
Jusash, you are the first person to say what's on my mind.
People should really be careful judging others. He may be unconventional on where he chooses to indulge himself and with whom, that's not a crime, just disillusioning die-hard fans. Unless he is forcing these women into the bathroom and into his home, even if they are sex workers, then I will say, to hell with him else, I refuse to jump to conclusions unless I am very close to the parties involved and know the untented version of the story.
I am a woman too,but I know not to follow guys into compromising areas that will land me in a difficult situation and don't even depend on say no later because not all guys are gentleman. My first question to the ladies if they followed him into the bathroom or his home(if they are not normal friends), would be, why and what where you expecting would happen.
Again I don't know if these charges are rape or just like the first case, he didn't reimburse appropriately for services rendered! !
"I refuse to jump to conclusions unless I am very close to the parties involved and know the untented version of the story."
No, you refuse to believe the victims and believe YC side, worse yet 4 women pressed charges and yet you guys are on his side, and say you are "neutral"
"I am a woman too,but I know not to follow guys into compromising areas that will land me in a difficult situation and don’t even depend on say no later because not all guys are gentleman"
STOP this victim blaming and rape culture!! The women are not at fault, the guy who rapes is the one at fault! Why you guys always try to blame the victim, ugh, so gross, hope you guys are young because... those comments are really gross.
Nobody asks to be raped, and everybody expect to others well, you know, respect them, and not rape.
Nobody in their right mind in this forum is condoning rape or any type of violence against any living creature more so on humanity. I believe anybody is innocent until proven guilty..the same courtesy should be given to both parties. We are all on the outside trying to peek inside a very sensitive subject.it is so easy pass judgement ...but then who are we to do that...all I can say right now is I hope justice will prevail and an honest and fair investigation will hopefully lead all the involved to that resolution.
@liz.. The story is more complicated... There may be gang involvement, blackmailing etc... Why did these women follow him to the bathroom is a valid question, not a matter of believing which parties should be respected
I said I won't judge! But you will be naive to believe that everyone that says they are a victim is truly a victim. I was not on anyone's side but just saying what I wouldn't do as a woman, as in situation I wouldn't put myself in.
Stop crying the woman victim! ! You are a bystander who knows nothing! !
1) Is it a ladies bathroom or men or unisex?
20 Did the ladies follow him to the bathroom or he hand grab dragging the ladies to the bathroom?
@liz, wtf is wrong with you, I have observed you to be the most judgemental commenter here, like Yoochun is already proven guilty and gives you the right to sentenced him! you are acting like extremist Feminist, fyi not all the time in rape charges the victims are always women, the men can also be victims, and not because there are four charges against him it already means its all true, so let the rule of the law previal, not the barbaric unjust unfair public trial. let me tell you something about uncovering Truths based on Bible facts to get your brain straightened out, during the ancient times there was Elijah the only one true prophet versus the 450 false prophets of Baal, all the 450 false prophets were ordered killed by the King for lying to him; you see, even ancient times its possibke a group of people can conspire to a crime, so in seeking the Truth this is not a numbers game or getting the most victims, you have to consider if they are true victims telling the Truth or just a bunch of liars prepared and ready to commit crime. Ok, just some pointers to you, may you not be a victim of false witnesses and liars in your lifetime!
further to others analysis, reports yesterday say he has been proved to have been on China on the dates of at least two alleged incidents, which does make me wonder again about both the intense similaritirs in the allegations and the extortion of claimant one, could this be an elaborate fit-up for money? Or have I watched too many dramas?
> What the heck! Probably ~ he has a " bathroom fetish "