C-actress Ren Min Caught on Date with Director Boyfriend and Netizens Criticize His Looks
Dang, C-actress Ren Min just cannot win with netizens. She’s a good actress that unfortunately was not visually suited for her last drama outing in the xianxia period piece The Longest Promise so naturally got a lot of flack for her looks. But she’s never marketed herself as going the flower vase all looks no ability path and was always seen as a serious actress so that was just a blip on her resume. But now months later it’s another person associated with her that is getting attacked for looks, namely her boyfriend the director of C-dramas The Night Wanderer and The Yinyang Master. The two were spotted holding hands on a date and then heading into a car to return home. Neither side has denied the relationship (as of now), but C-netizens are criticizing her choice of partner saying the director is very ugly and chubby. Goodness, the man is behind cameras so why the heck cares and if they like each other then that’s all that matters.
If they are happy…great for them.
C fans are obnoxious. C fan culture is pathetic and disgusting. How does actress’ dating life have to do with her acting? Just leave them alone! What I despise most is some Xiao Zhan’s toxic fans dissing RM for her rumored BF’s looks and insinuate she’s not only a bad actress but also has a very bad taste! I read similar comments on both Weibo and Youtube channels run by XZ fans. The sarcasm is really mean. They dissed her and blamed her acting for The Longest Promise’s underwhelming rating and review. They mocked those XZ/RM CP. Although I don’t like any shippers either, that’s others’ business to have their own ways entertaining themselves. Why always sniffing? Such hubris!
As a diehard fan of XZ, I disapprove of these xfx. Also to some lunatics visiting this blog, stop labeling ppl critial of xfx as XZ antis as if all the xfx are blameless. If you still can’t help getting worked up for my criticism of xfx, you’d better check your mental state and seek counseling cos your judgment is all screwed up! I just detest how a bunch of xfx always close rank to slander XZ’s costars. So unsavory!
This rant came out of nowhere…some of you XZ fans are truly delulu always bringing him up randomly. I’ve watched almost ALL of his works as an idol fan of his music, and besides his acting in The Untamed, he hasn’t really done anything great, except create a HUGE psychotic female fanbase. His bystander stance in the AO3 issue and other fanwars leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Now here you are taking an ENTIRE article about a C-actress and her boyfriend and bringing the focus to Xiao Zhan. GOD. I bet Wang Yibo and Xiao Zhan are embarrassed by alot of their fans.
Xiao Zhan fans made a big part of those who cyberbullied Ren Min recently over her bf. They were making comments like after working with Xiao Zhan she understood her inferiority and understood she’s only worthy of a ‘pig’ man.
@Marie That’s too much.. augh.. how could they say something like that
@momnaijiaJ, how’s AO3 have to do with Xiao Zhan? Did he report the fanfic site or order to shut it down? Nope! He did not leave a bad taste in normal and savvy ppl’s mouths. But antis of twisted mind maliciously exploited the messy nonsense to defame XZ, get him cancelled, and for their ultimate purpose, to rob him of lucrative endorsements and other projects. You’d better get to your sense rather than spewing the same boring rumor about XZ !!! XZ’s fandom has been getting bigger and bigger and he’s still the top 1 popular celebrity in C-ent with the most endorsements of brand names. That just proves the majority of ordinary ppl don’t buy trash theory of AO3 like yours.
Sorry, just wondering what is xfx? I am not good with modern lingual..
I don’t know what it exactly stands for either but judging from context clues, it’s the name of Xiao Zhan fans/ fan club
xfx stands for Xiao Fei Xia (小飛俠 in Chinese and literally Peter Pan in English). I have no idea how his fandom adopted the name “Peter Pan” though. I’ve been reluctant to identify myself as part of xfx becos after observing them online for a while, I disapprove of a lot of the fan culture within the fandom. It’s very similar to the ARMY of BTS in their debut days. Very obnoxious! That being said, they are also the large force behind XZ’s huge popularity and I credit them for XZ’s success until now, surviving 227 cyberbully and cancellation.
There’re always reasonable fans and toxic fans coexisting in any huge pop fandoms. XZ’s fandom is no exception. Nonetheless, many Chinese fans like Lilith and 4ever et al have no ability of independent thinking (I double they even have any education and opportunities for equivalent training). They can’t tell that apart so they would conveniently but falsely call out anyone who gives reasonable critiques about XZ’s dramas and his fandom AN ANTIE! LOL. This is a sign exhibiting lack of critical thinking and fear monger that any criticism would risk XZ’s career. They have no idea they themselves are the ones continually making trouble for XZ who in his interviews reiterated several times his fans should live a real life, do a better job on personal matters rather than a busybody minding other ppl’s business and behavior. They have trouble understanding XZ’s advice but twist his words instead. Among all visiting Koala’s blogs, Lilith has the worst tendency of busybody oppressing others’ free speech!
Already predicted that’s what you would say, your mission here is basically to use being a “XZ fan” as a cover to make yourself seem more credible when you throw dirty water onto XZ’s real fans – the XFXs, just like how BJYX and XZ antis sometimes switch to a “XZ-only” profile pic when they cause nuisance on the net. And you love associating every piece of negative news back to XZ when people don’t even think about him in the first place.
C-netz didn’t particularly care much about this piece of gossip. They placed more attention instead at how Zhang Xiaohan (the gossiper who first released this dating news using a AI-generated manhwa without revealing any names) made the director look like a handsome young guy in her manhwa, which led to no one able to guess it’s Ren Min.
I think you are being unfair. We all know that Somebody is a XZ fan, check out her posts! If she is able to dissociate herself from the crazier part of the Fandom, and actually see that not all XZ does is perfection, I say good for her.
I don’t read Chinese and I can’t tell if any of the criticism this guy is getting is in any way linked to some ott die hard fans of XZ (it seems farfetched, but crazier things do happen in C-ent fan wars), but to actually accuse one of the most loyal fans of XZ around here of being an anti is I think exaggerated.
I agree with Nena on this
@Nena As someone who has been exposed to the shenanigans in C-ent, what Somebody is doing now is not unfamiliar to me. Like I’ve said before, if someone really loves their idol, he/she will protect them from danger, not push them into it then declare to everyone that he/she will save them from the evil danger.
What Somebody is doing is akin to an employee constantly telling his company’s potential clients how efficient and hardworking he himself is while the rest of his company’s workers are careless and lazy bums. Would you think this employee means well for his company? After hearing such words, would those potential clients still want to do business with his company?
@Lilith
I agree with you. The way this Somebody acts, if I didn’t know any better I would think all XZ fans are nasty and toxic, because she is just as toxic as those supposedly bad XFXs that she mentioned. It doesn’t matter whether she dissociate herself from XFXs or not, to the people who aren’t constantly updated about C-ent, they are all XZ fans, and they will think badly of XZ fans.
Lilith, you hit all the points. From what I observed, many of those who declare themselves as XZ’s fan but emphasize that they are not XFXs are those who don’t care that their own obnoxious behavior will negatively affect how others view XZ. Most of the real XFXs care for XZ’s reputation so they often interact politely and carefully unless the other party made nasty remarks first.
@abc, “most of the real XFXs care for XZ care for XZ’s reputation so they often interact politely and carefully unless the other party made dirty remarks first.” Excuse me! Where did you get this idea? Just to the opposite based upon what I read on Chinese SM and Youtube. Quite a few Youtubers making XZ-only contents constantly attacked other celebrities, by either dissing, mocking, or insinuating any negative or vile images of these targets. For example, Youtuber Klxgg and some others draw 100s thousand views to a lot of the vids they made talking about XZ and they were constantly mocked other C celebrities. In the comment sections under those vids, you can read they fought with other XZ fans not agreeing with their tendency to attack other celebrities and had pile-on over those who disagreed with their behavior. Those are close-rank xfx who are very unfriendly to celebrities other than XZ. You tell me these rabid bananas care for XZ’s reputation by spreading rumors of other celebrities. LOL
@Lilith, As usual you’re deranged and delirious! Other than being a huge mouthpiece of CCP, what else can you bring to make your comments constructive? Your twisted information is a blatant proof of brainwashed CCP stooge!
RM’s dating rumor was on top1 hot searches when I checked Weibo last time! How the fuck did you claim C netizen didn’t care much about this gossip??? You’re blinded and deafen by your sickening mindset. Claiming yourself not a diehard fan of XZ while always lurking to harass me who have been a stanch fan since his Our Song era. You’ve been stalking and harassing me not bcos you care about XZ but bcos you got offended many times when I was pretty scathing about the culture under CCP regime.
I care about how XZ’s doing in C-ent and hope the best for his career. I watched ALL his interviews and checked any updates about him on C social media or news media every day, both in Chinese and English. He’s my fave. But also as XZ suggested several times, he welcomes critiques and would continue to improve himself. All my critiques have been focused purely on his works not on his or his coworkers’ private life. In contrast, A LOT of mentally damaged xfx have been constantly engaged in discrediting other celebrities, specifically his former coworkers since 227. These rabid xfx are mentally ill and sincerely need serious counseling. Some pathetic behaviors of xfx are irrelevant to XZ himself. If you think notorious xfx would discredit XZ, then you have exactly the same spurious ideology propagated by CCP regime.
For the westerners and ppl influenced by democratic values, fans’ behavior has nothing at all to do with celebrities themselves. Every individual has their own right of free speech and should be the sole party responsible for their own public remarks and behavior. However, Chinese citizens and oversea Chinese often came out to claim celebrities are liable for fans’ awry actions and celebrities’ have responsibility to manage fan clubs. The CCP authorities also promote this awful idea. It’s such nonsense! So here you are going lunatic again, accusing me of discrediting XZ by criticizing some of his fans’ behavior! How the FUCK and ignorant you are unable to tell fans from celebrities!!!!
RM’s dating gossip made it to the top1 hot search on Weibo. How the heck one delulu like Lilith could dismiss that and said that C netz didn’t particularly care much about this piece? I wonder if any oversea Chinese fans would be so embarrassed by the barrage of public shaming on RM’s choice of date that they are just desperately trying to deny the ruckus on top1 hot search of Weibo. LOL.
Somebody, based on what I read on Weibo of course. Why do you think youtubers making XZ-only contents means they must be XFXs? Youtubers make their money off views, just like Weibo’s marketing accounts, it’s natural some will deliberately make controversial videos and fuel fire to generate lots of views.
“…they fought with other XZ fans not agreeing with their tendency to attack other celebrities and had pile-on over those who disagreed with their behavior”
^I think the above sounds very much like you.
@Somebody Read again. I said rather than the actual dating news, C-netz cared more about how the gossiper Zhang Xiaohan made the director look like a handsome young guy in the manhwa which obviously isn’t accurate. And top 1 hot search doesn’t mean anything, being on top 1 hot search for one minute with just 1k views is also top 1. Not going to bother with the rest of your lunacy.
@Yukimi @abc Exactly. This is why I’m convinced this Somebody is a XZ anti who keeps track of everything related to XZ. Despite so many people telling him that his actions have negative impact to XZ, he completely dismisses them as if he majors in human psychology and still carries on this behaviour under the guise of freedom. He doesn’t love XZ, he only loves himself. You really got to wonder, he hates so many things related to the Chinese – CCP, Chinese citizens, overseas Chinese, Chinese fans, Chinese fan culture etc – yet he still happily consumes Chinese entertainment which consists of so many things he hates.
@Lilith, this comment is in response to your lunacy again labeling me as XZ anti based upon your spurious theory about how XZ’s fans and antis would talk like online and what kinds of opinions they may have! I don’t care if you read this or not since other ppl will read the whole conversations and realize that many Chinese fans like you are pretty close minded, basically brainwashed by toxic ideology and screwed up! You’ve never denied when I wondered if you’re associated with the CCP since you have identified yourself with anything related to the regime so much that you can’t put up with any criticism. Rather, you diverted the attention to calling me XZ antis. That’s a very convenient trick and has been abused by many Chinese fans. In the west, we don’t just throw easy tags like “antis” or “haters” on ppl who are not on the same page with ourselves in communication. But you Chinese fans have been doing this lowly trick all the time to conveniently discount opposite opinions. The problem of fan wars doesn’t lie with me but with your twisted attitude about free speech!
There’s no conflict between liking certain artistic features of the Chinese culture and detesting the CCP regime. I don’t equate the whole Chinese culture to the CCP regime but YOU ARE! That’s your major issue why you can’t tolerate and respect fans’ difference in opinions not to your liking; such a behavior pattern is so similar to how CCP reacts to dissidents! I’ve been scathing about pathetic Chinese fan culture which is more or less promoted by the CCP authorities, not the Chinese culture as a whole. Poor production quality of Chinese dramas is also an undeniable fact. I showed several popular C costume dramas to a CGI engineer who has no exposure to any Asian dramas at all; he immediately pointed out the crappy quality of Chinese settings and CGI motions etc. I’ve just been critical of Cdramas based upon hard facts no bcos I hate anything Chinese. LOL. I don’t hate Chinese culture since my upbringing was also influenced by Chinese culture. But you can’t tell the difference between my criticism of a lot of negative influence under an authoritative regime like the CCP and what’s coming from real Chinese haters !! That’s how your judgment is all brainwashed and blinded by what the CCP has taught you to think and say! You obviously have not taken advantage of the opportunities in a free world to exercise critical thinking. Therefore you hate me for being critical of your beloved CCP China since you consider CCP = China. For me, CCP =/= China.
All the art forms manifested in C drama productions have been there for 100s or perhaps 1000s years in the land of China. It’s something I appreciate. The beauty of Chinese artistry presented in Chinese dramas and some nuanced elements exuded by some decent actors (XZ included of course) isn’t products of communism. Don’t be mistaken! LOL. Therefore, your logic is so messed up by mixing them altogether. That’s why you can’t comprehend why I detest CCP while enjoying some Chinese dramas and acting. I don’t have high hopes for you to get my points though after patiently coughing up so many long ass essays. LOL. If you do, God bless you!
@Somebody It’s hilarious how you think other people will bother to read your long essay which kept droning on and on about CCP like a broken record. You always have the same line of action:
People call you out for your negative behaviour -> You proceed to label them as Chinese or CCP supporter to invalidate their opinions -> Drones on and on about CCP
I didn’t bother to retort your ridiculous accusations about being Chinese and association/support for CCP previously because my actions speak for myself, it is clear as day that I’m no CCP supporter. Nonetheless, you’ll never believe because you don’t want to believe in the first place, but most importantly I don’t need your validation for my own self-identity. You’re the only one here labelling everyone who disagree with you as a CCP supporter here. On the other hand, so many people here agree with me that you are a XZ anti. Since you’re also from a democratic country and believe in democracy, I’m sure you’ll agree with majority rule, right? Unless you only agree with whatever is convenient for you LOL.
It’s funny how you use the word “we” when you refer to the West. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen many Western Kpop fans using “XXX anti” and “XXX hater” on the net as well, but of course you’ll throw the dirty water to only the Chinese. Similarly, there’s plenty of Koreans telling international fans to stop consuming Kpop if they disagree with anything else regarding Korea. Hmmm…so using your words, they can’t tolerate and respect differences in opinions not to their liking, right? So would you say they are similar to CCP and support CCP too? And you yourself also can’t tolerate and respect difference in opinions, so you are also similar to CCP hahaha.
@Lilith, you’re exactly slapping your own face! While you accuse me being unreasonable to call you and others out as CCP stooges and you deny, you can’t take my correction on your false accusation that I’m a XZ anti that quite a few visitors here also agreed with me. So you said you knew your own identity. Equally I know my own identity and who’s my fave. I don’t need an online nobody like you to tell me how to behave and what to say and who I am as a drama fan. LOL. Who the heck do you think you are! So toxic! There’re no points to communicate with a dim-witted CCP stooge like you any more. It’s wasting my time. Your insanity has no bearing on my life. If you keep throwing shade and attacking me, I won’t hesitate to return what you deserve, i.e., insult! You’re totally hopeless !!!!!
@Somebody You really do have comprehension issues. I’ll simplify it for you:
– You accuse me and others of supporting CCP merely because we disagree with you, this means you have no evidence to back up your accusations.
– I claim that you are a XZ anti based on the fact that you continuously attract negative attention to XZ and being aggressive to other people here while loudly proclaiming yourself to be a XZ fan which clearly will make some people view XZ and his fans negatively. This is my evidence to support my claims.
If you really knew your own identity and is confident of it, you wouldn’t have been so agitated everytime and responded to every single person who told you that you behave like a XZ anti. Remember, I didn’t give you any response previously for the numerous accusing responses you threw to me until this article. This is proof of my confidence.
@Lilith, it’s a fact that I’m a staunch fan of XZ and he’s my bias. How many times have I repeated like a parrot? LOL. But you don’t listen. So I think you have some mental problems. I said you’re a CCP stooge since you got worked up each time I’m critical of the pathetic phenomena including sick fan culture in China under the CCP regime and oppressive tendency to silence different opinions in Cdrama fan circles. You instead label me as a XZ anti to divert issue conveniently to avoid critical thinking of why I’m scathing about those pathetic phenomena including what I’ve observed inside xfx fandom. You attacked me not bcos of my comments but bcos of your own insecurity about your root culture and got embarrassed since you associate yourself with the Chinese culture influenced by the CCP regime.
In the west, we don’t have such nonsense as “negative attention.” LOL. I have reminded you of the difference in treating public speech between China and the democratic west and asked you to respect any different opinions regardless of how you feel about those comments and how you perceive those comments “negative” (while many others don’t see negativity in reasonable critiques of dramas). But you don’t heed! That’s why I consider you too close minded and doesn’t fit in a free world. I’ve come across many C drama fans complaining about how Chinese fans accused them of haters or antis while they were not but just giving criticism that is considered all normal and common in any online debates in the west. But you and your toxic peers have a fetish to adopt the Chinese fan culture to throw shade on anyone to your disliking and label ppl haters or antis, trying conveniently to just silence different opinions you don’t like. This is very oppressive and very similar to the CCP regime that has always tried so desperately to silence dissidents by calling them traitors.
Let me give one more analogy to show how illogical and overbearing you and many Chinese fans are! Do you purchase Gucci or Tods or Wedgwood or Zenith? If not, then I can call you a XZ anti since XZ antis have vowed to not buy anything XZ endorses! You’re doing EXACTLY THE SAME thins as XZ antis are doing. LOL. By the same token and twisted reasoning you have been nonstop in each post calling me a XZ anti just bcos I criticize xfx’s fan culture and many antis do that. LOL. You’re screwed up and blinded and can’t see the points. There’s no point for me to identify myself a staunch fan of XZ if I were not. This is just entertainment that takes the least priority among many matters in my life. Why should I insist myself a XZ fan (and also rave about him almost always) to invite hate from bananas like you guys? LOL
You and many Chinese fans have to change your own ways of thinking and judging drama fans including those who just appreciate free expressions in a democratic society like here in the US. Please respect and don’t throw shade right away once you read something not to your liking or getting on your nerve. Please respect and be tolerant! One more time, please respect!
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@Somebody You seriously don’t bring any new points to the table. Truly a parrot. Seems like you only know how to copy the other party’s words and throw it back at them regardless whether it applies or not, then continue labelling them as Chinese or CCP. Well, I’m not the agitated one typing long essays and inserting tons of exclamation marks into my sentences.
Again you flooded the rest of your reply with the usual “CCP and China bad”, “West and democracy good” yada yada. And conveniently skip over my previous points regarding those Western Kpop fans and Koreans who, according to your logic, are similar to CCP, plus yourself LOL.
I’m not a XZ fan, but I do own Gucci and Tods products along with Dior, Chanel, Celine etcetc. So? What is this supposed logic that you’re referring to? Did I vow not to buy any celebrity-endorsed products? You don’t have any logic.
“Why should I insist myself a XZ fan..to invite hate from..you guys?” LOL then stop insisting? Why do you have to proclaim youself as a XZ fan everytime you make nasty remarks towards other celebrities and drag him and XFXs into unrelated articles attracting negative attention? Why can’t you just represent yourself as an unique individual instead of “XZ fan”?
@Lilith, there’s no end to your lunacy! I’m a XZ fan and that’s the fact! I don’t need other Chinese bananas to certify me as a fan of XZ. LOL. I enjoy his acting style and music stage. That’s enough. Your persistent labeling me as a XZ anti is all out of spurious accusations very similar to CCP’s fetish calling dissidents traitors. That’s what I detest the most and why I have very low regard for you and other similar CCP stooges. I don’t have to digress to Kpop or Jpop or other Asian pop culture since that’s not the focus here. I’ve seen the same lowly tactic used by many Chinese ppl on SM again and again to digress and divert the focus to something else.
You’re inconsistent throughout your own comments on this site. You now finally confessed you’re not a XZ fan while you have been constantly positioning yourself as if you were a XZ fan defending him, using his career and fame as an excuse to be snarky about my criticism of the Chinese fan culture under the CCP regime! How similar is this underhanded trick to what CCP has been using everywhere!!! Now I’m even more convinced you’re associated with the CCP authorities since you have a habit aggressively defending any criticism of that atrocious regime given your track records on this site, just under disguise to defend Xiao Zhan who’s not even your fave. LMAO. Such a sneaky hypocrite !!!! Nope! You’re not defending him since you’re not even his fan as you finally admitted. What you have just commented has proved that all my points about you and other CCP lackeys are valid !!! XZ is just an easy scapegoat for you nuts to digress and divert attention from pathetic Chinese fan culture under the CCP to something else. You have to seriously check your psychotic mental state!
@Somebody Too bad your actions don’t match your words. Ah..you said you don’t have to digress to other things since that’s not the focus here? That’s so double standards of you when you are the one who digressed from non-XZ-related articles in the first place LOL.
What inconsistency? I’ve repeatedly said that I’m not a XZ fan. It’s either you or some other idiot here calling me a XZ fan just because I spoke up for him. I sided with XZ during the 227 incident after his antis jumped on me just because I didn’t agree with their twisted logic. That’s why I’m particularly knowledgeable about him and what had taken place back then. That’s probably also why I take extra notice of his news and dislike seeing people like you smearing his name. I’ve seen enough of his antis exhibiting the same behaviour as you do. You can go on and on about CCP all you like, it’ll only make people see you as a crazy lunatic. I bet you have no friends in RL because you’re such an embarrassment.
@Lilith, Finally admitting not a XZ fan just proves you’re a busybody that XZ has disapproved of since you have had a fetish to meddle in other drama fans’ free speech. You got offended and worked up the first time I criticized CCP and have been stalking/attacking me persistently since then, always accusing me of being a XZ anti cos you know I’m his fan instead. I don’t mind repeatedly reminding ppl you’re a CCP lackey and the dishonest trick you’ve been using to bully me is exactly the same as the CCP, always accusing dissidents of being traitors. It’s useless for you to deny that. You’ve got track records on this site showing you’ve been defending CCP and that’s why you’ve been targeting me all the time. I absolutely have no respect for you! Such shame on you!
@Lilith, LOL. The one inconsistent is a stalker and CCP bully like you, not me!
You’re obviously too old to recall your own words exactly. You always positioned yourself and spoke like xfx to call out XZ antis and haters. Only one time you said that you’re not a diehard fan of XZ in response to ppl questioning your prejudice against other actors. If you are not even a fan of XZ as you just admitted early in this thread, why did you say you’re not a diehard fan in another thread? You could have said that you were not even a fan of XZ in the first place as you did here. Basically you changed your argument inconsistently just to defend your big ego. I can’t take you seriously. Since you’re very vocal with all kinds of “anti” “hater” crap nonsense and have a fetish to throw shade on me, I’ll be eyes for eyes in return until you stop spewing trash!
@Somebody Lmao you got nothing else to counter so you can only keep repeating the same delirious speech. Now you even made up words that XZ has never said before, some “fan” you are. You’re not just delusional, you’re also a habitual liar. I only bother replying to you when I see you giving false info or smearing XZ’s name while pretending to be his fan. Of course, being the insecure loser you are, you start accusing everyone who calls you out or disagree with you as Chinese or CCP. I WILL continue informing everyone about your antics whenever I see you attempt to spread false info or smear XZ’s name. Mark my words.
Please stop dragging XZ and XFXs into every article and attracting unwanted attention to them. XZ antis often use this type of tactics on Chinese SNSs.
I’m not on Chinese SM. I’m commenting on a blog open to a democratic society that values freedom of speech and critical thinking! Stop suggesting us conforming to the same pathetic Chinese fan culture!
BTW, it seems some of you Chinese have a fetish to collectively throw everyone into one basket! XZ has a huge fanbase. How could you expect everyone among his fans should have the same ideas and opinions about anything? LOL. I have to confess I’m so sickened by Chinese fans’ pattern to stop other ppl from speaking of their own mind. I guess all the pile-on me on this site have been coming from the Chinese who have ties with China. The behavior attacking ppl with different opinions are so similar to what I observe on Chinese SM. It’s so oppressive just like the CCP regime. It’s dang obnoxious! SMH
I have seen this too @Somebody, the exportation of Chinese fan culture to non-Chinese fans and I don’t think it is a good thing. A seemingly helpful Chinese fan translates articles related to the artist into English. They contribute constantly like it’s a job and float to the top to become a kind of fan leader. The non-Chinese fans become dependent on the content and community it creates. Then the slight manipulations start, we should be kind and good fans, we shouldn’t speak negatively, we should help promote this or that, after a while there is a whole How to be a goody two shoes fan guide to group think. Anyone who speaks freely gets accused of being a hater or starting fan wars and the process to get the person ostracized starts. I actually think some of these fan leaders are are paid PR, some are quite clever and subtle in how quickly they herd the sheeple and get people to conform.
@Somebody
Why are you being so aggressive towards a simple request to just not attract unwanted attention to the celebrity that you supposedly support? This is not just Chinese fan culture, Kpop fandoms also advocate the same. What you are doing here is beyond speaking your own mind, you are literally attacking XZ.
@Rrrt
Anyone who speaks freely…Nope. Most of the time your so-called speak freely means speak aggressively. What’s wrong with advocating for people to be kind and good? I definitely prefer to live in a world where people are kind towards each other rather than a world where everyone act nastily and deliberately go against regulations just because they don’t want to “conform”.
By the way, it can also be the other way round where the supposed “fan leader” is created or paid by rivals to generate chaos in a celebrity’s fandom.
@Rrrt I’m not trying to start drama or tell people what to do. People can speak freely and have a negative opinion on any celebrity. There’s been many on this site, such as people saying so and so is just a visual and can’t act, amongst other things. You can also have a negative opinion on XZ. I agree with most of the critiques of his drama choices in recent years. After the Untamed, I’ve honestly did not like any of his dramas. However, Somebody has exhibited a constant habit of bringing XZ into every conversation even when the article has nothing to do with him. Admittedly, this one is probably warranted since I do think RM got a lot of hate after TLP with XZ. However, I will say that if it’s a one-off thing that Somebody does, I highly double other people like Lilith would be commenting on their behavior. I’ve been a bystander on this site for a long time but enjoy reading people’s perspectives in articles, and have also observed this is a repeated thing for Somebody. But of course, Somebody has the right to say whatever they want. Just like Somebody finds XFXs’ behavior obnoxious, other people can also find Somebody’s behavior obnoxious. It’s a two way street in a “democratic society.”
I won’t be commenting further because I don’t want you all to think we’re gatekeeping comments here. Just trying to explain my perspective as well.
@4ever I always LMAO when extreme fans say ‘If you have nothing nice to say then don’t say anything’ in an attempt to silence people when they see a comment they don’t like that maybe going against their narrative. In response I always say the most critical and inappropriate thing that comes to mind. So no I don’t like how be good and nice is used in fandom to control the conversation and narrative.
I also think you are being pretty aggressive yourself accusing @somebody of something with so much certainty when no can know for sure but @somebody.
Plus if you believe they are a anti, why are you asking them to the right thing and stop, like that’s going to work lol.
Anyway I do agree that Chinese fandom is full of snakes and rats. And through these long ass comments and discussions everyone can see it is a cesspit and should be careful if they want to step into it too deeply.
@realxzfan I appreciate that you did not escalate matters. Again I don’t think you can be so sure of what @Somebodys intentions are. I also bring up actors that are not mentioned in the article, normally it’s the context of the article that makes me think of another actor or it’s in response to another comment or a comparison to another actor. I don’t see a problem with this.
Maybe it would be a good idea to have a open discussion post once per week so people can talk about whatever they want. I would be interested in drama recommendations plus I am watch a new cdrama that I freaking love and am waiting for the right article to come up so I can bring it up.
@Rrrt
What does being a kind and good person has to do with that? I don’t understand. And what did I accuse Somebody of? I pleaded with her to stop dragging and attracting unwanted attention in my original comment. I never said she’s an anti. How is this aggressive? Yet she responded so rudely to me while you accuse me of accusing her.
@Rrrt, OMG! You have spoken of my mind about what has been going on with Cdrama fandoms. I’d like to yell to those desperately trying to sell Chinese fan culture and behavior patterns outside China: just stop exercising all kinds of crazy mental gymnastics on international Cdrama fans! Stop labeling and bullying ppl with diverse views deviating from the mainstream Chinese ways of thinking. I’ve seen the patterns you described over and over again. It’s just getting worse, specifically among xfx who I think have suffered PTSD due to 227 and have become passive aggressive, offensive-defensive, not able to make good discernment in many situations. Really unhealthy! I’ve seen them so scathing about Ren Min. That actually affected TLP’s ratings. I stopped them from being emo and negative about the FL. But they did not listen and had a pile-on over me instead. So idiotic of them! They have done more harm than good to XZ. Those are Chinese-speaking fans of XZ on Youtube mostly.
@realxzfan, LOL your name is so farcical! Ppl may have different definitions about “obnoxious.” For me, I value free speech the most even some remarks aren’t favorable to most ppl or sound marginalized. What I consider most obnoxious is when ppl tell online strangers to shut up just bcos they don’t like what’s been said. You and Lilith et al are the latter, very obnoxious to me! Since I’ve been in the US for decades and I appreciate free speech so much, I can’t bring myself to approve of your judgmental attitude. I think you guys are more Chinese than democratic!
Once again, why can’t I mention XZ all the time? Are there any laws prohibiting me as his diehard fan from doing so? LOL. If you are annoyed by my constant raving about XZ and intense interest in anything relating to him, just move on, which is the civil way in the democratic society to tolerate different opinions. Did I injure or kill anyone or steal anything from ppl by speaking of XZ in an Asian drama blog? LMAO! Don’t throw shade on me just becos you don’t like my opinions or the way I fangirl over XZ. For what reasons should I conform myself to other xfx? Nobody should be like that neither in the free society! This is not China!
@4ever No need to get upset over these people. I got a feeling they are a gang (perhaps even the same person) tasked to promote negativity towards C-ent. Notice how they always ignore when you made valid points, choosing to dwell on other issues instead?
@Lilith! You still can’t get over your insanity! LOL. Here came the conspiracy theory nuts again when you ran out of any valid points! What a demented banana you are! I bet many other commenters who aren’t me are laughing at you. OMG!
@Somebody, Nope I’m laughing at you instead.
@Anon, LMAO. You have no idea how many times yourself are a laughingstock on this site? Just check your track records how many times you rambled deliriously and bitched unfounded complaints about Koala. Ppl have been laughing at and pissed by you. But it’s me telling them to let you rant since you’re entitled to exercise your right of free speech even most of the time your comments look more delirious than sane. LOL
@Somebody, ROFL different Anon here. You are a complete joke.
LOL You’re the only obnoxious lunatic here. Poor Xiao Zhan, what did he do to deserve your constant damage to his reputation?
@Anon, should you look into the mirror yourself? LOL. You’re literally referring to yourself!
You’re overstating my influence! I have power to damage the most popular C star’s reputation? LMAO. I have no idea I’m that important! Hahahaha
The fact that you don’t know the story behind why xz’s fans are called Peter Pan explains why you’re not his fan but an anti pretending to be his fan. Gotta hand it to you for still pulling this long con. Why else do you get agitated so easily when you get called out for blackening XZ’s name? Why else you hate him so much that you have to dragged him under almost every c-ent post when they have nothing to do with him, hating on him and his fandom? XZ and xfx minding their own business but here you are everyday like a regular clockwork. Talks like an anti, smells like an anti….
And lol, accusing xfx of hating on ren min during tlp broadcast? We all know whose fandoms were behind these hate on rm and tlp. You may fool some people here who don’t understand the fan circle on weibo but you’re not fooling everybody. Your rantings will reveal yourself sooner or later, lol.
Here came another deranged xfx again! LOL. Same old same old rambling blah blah blah other fandoms behind all the attacks on Ren Min and other costars of XZ. Go check out that Youtuber channel yourself: Klxgg. (LOL I’m doing free ads for his channel !) He and his xfx followers basically have been constantly dissing RM’s visuals and her acting since The Longest Promise premiered in July. Until just a few days ago when RM’s dating rumor broke out on Chinese SM, he’s still mocking her a failure in everything. Klxgg is a huge fan of XZ. I used to urge him to refrain from criticizing XZ’s costars like Wang Yibo, Yang Zi, and now Ren Min. But he and his xfx followers refused to do so. I had unsubscribed his channel since. Why don’t you go call him out rather than bullying me here! It’s useless!
BTW, why should I know the origin of xfx as a fan of XZ? Such a ridiculous accusation! Every savvy fan can tell you’re making nonsense, being farcical !
@somebody you run around claiming to be his biggest fan yet you don’t know that his fandom name came from Xiao Zhan himself, specifically from a drawing he completed at the beginning of his career? His fandom that you are doing your best to smear on the international level because some of them are gullible enough to believe your half truth and half lies.
If you understand xiao zhan’s history in the last few years, if you’re a true XZ fan, then you know your antics and rantings have the same characteristics of his antis in the past. As true XZ fans, we don’t go around ranting and raving about him or criticizing other fandoms and smearing his name like you are doing.
Also, you’re smearing his entire fanbase based on a yxh (marketing) acct on YouTube and comments there claiming to be his fans? Is youtube where you get your news about XZ and his fan. Lol. Who is the deranged person here?
@Frau, you’re making exactly the same faulty judgment and accusation about me as other Chinese fans (not only xfx) have been doing all the time.
1. When did I proclaim myself to be XZ’s biggest fan? Stop putting your own words in my mouth to throw shade on me! LOL. I really can’t have high regard for ppl who don’t even recall what others said but making up false accusation. I’m a huge fan of XZ but not to the point of obsession like many xfx. He’s not my God. I don’t worship idols. I believe there’re way many fans investing a lot more time and whatnot about XZ than I do. So I’m absolutely not the biggest fan! I have never ransacked the shelves of luxurious brands once XZ’s endorsements were announced. I’m not that obsessed. LOL
2. How the heck should I know the origin of xfx as his official fandom name to be his fan? Excuse me! Are you making up your own dictionary of different definition of “fan?” Here’s what I copied pasted from Cambridge online dictionary:
Fan: someone who admires and supports a person, sport, sports team, etc.
Is knowing the origin of how xfx came to be his fandom name a necessary condition to support XZ and therefore to be called a fan of XZ, by any laws or rules? LMAO. I bet XZ doesn’t agree with you either. He’s savvy but you like many xfx aren’t ! That’s why he constantly reminded you guys to get a real life and don’t meddle in others’ business, specifically online speech! You think you’re policing his fandom by telling his fans what to think, say, and do? That’s really extra! Busybody! SMH
3. If you don’t even call out and censure those many online influencers with 100s of 1000s followers who claim to be diehard xfx while tarnishing xfx’s reputation almost every day by discrediting other celebrities and XZ’s costars very often, but instead, you bully one individual like me simply speaking of my own mind about C drama, and you also persistently accuse me of being an anti, I think you guys’ reasoning is all terribly screwed up. Those online xfx influencers are XZ antis not me since they have been doing way more harm than anyone else.
4. When and how did I smear the ENTIRE fanbase of XZ by exercising my own critical thinking? You got worked up bcos you’re conformed to the Chinese way of thinking, oppressing free expression in the name of loving XZ and asked everyone to think and talk exactly the same way under a uniform direction and central command (where is it? LOL) but I disapprove of this obnoxious idea of how XZ fans or any other Cdrama fans should think and talk online. I believe many ppl who actually like XZ very much but distance themselves from the fandom and even XZ’s works due to the autocratic ideology and excessive offense/defense coming from A LOT of xfx. I believe there’re many savvy xfx out there but they happen to be less vocal so they have no significant impact on the entire image of xfx. So, your accusation is completely false; I’m not smearing the fandom other than speaking of facts. To the opposite, your advocacy of oppressing various ideas and opinions about XZ’s works and whatnot through passive aggressive attacks on ppl with comments not to your liking is how you guys leave XZ’s fandom a bad taste in ppl’s mouth. If you learn to be democratically respectful for all different opinions including criticism or any negative comments rather than telling ppl to shut up, then ppl will respect you and the fandom in return. But I guess you don’t have enough wisdom to get my points? Do you?
BTW, do you buy any luxury brands like Gucci and Zennith etc. to support XZ’s endorsements? If not, then by your definition, you’re a XZ anti since antis have been vowing to not purchase any products XZ endorses (I guess they can’t afford so they basically spewed nonsense LOL). By the same logic you’re accusing me of a XZ anti bcos antis have made similar comments/criticism or whatnot. This is how your reasoning has been severely screwed up!
@somebody thanks for the essay but I won’t waste my time reading your rubbish trying to defend your anti-XZ and anti-xfx smears and narrative. Please promote his new song and his new Gucci global campaign if you have time to waste. Peace out.
great for you to peace out! Finally, hewww! I replied to you out of courtesy. I don’t care if you read it or not. But others will.
BTW, I have no interest to promote a song made for CCP propaganda of Belt and Road Initiatives, even it’s sung by my favorite singer. LOL again. It’s so stupid of the Chinese authorities to think tapping into Xiao Zhan’s huge fame for the state propaganda will promote their state agenda! NO THANKS! It doesn’t work on any ppl who know what Belt and Road Initiatives are all about – to trap quite a few 3rd world countries into debt traps that would hoax these governments into other deals to CCP’s advantages, e.g., ports and naval bases etc. It’s been on the news for years.
You don’t need to read my comments. Other visitors will. I don’t comment for ignoramuses to pay attention.
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Not every director can look like Jeon Jong Seo’s director boyfriend. Just sayin.
Meanwhile, this is how normal people look like.
this director if he goes diet will be more handsome than some geges. just saying.
Yeah, he’s not bad looking per se, just overweight.
Yo C-fans, if you married or is dating an original 10, then lucky you. Normal people can’t afford the expensive makeup or surgery to stay youthful. Neither do directors who rather focus on teaching your bias how to act so you’d fall in love with them.
Somewhat unrelated but I remember seeing articles about how she’s not pretty enough in the Longest Promise but didn’t really look at her pics or read past the headline. Meanwhile, I’ve also been semi paying attention to the filming of the “the legend of Ning” cause one of my fav kids is in it and it took me the longest time to make the connection that she’s the main lead in there cause the pics I saw from Ning, she has the sweetest face that my mind didn’t make the connection Cnets were criticizing the same person 😅
I looked up the drama you mentioned and realized you’re right! She’s unrecognizable in that production. She looks so pretty (see for yourself in https://mydramalist.com/photos/vXQ84q_3) The stylist from The Longest Promise really did her disservice.
Wow how did it get that bad in longest promise? Damn the makeup team aas really shitty
Her styling in TLP somehow made her nose look bulbous and prominent. It’s probably the bangs? But yeah, I agree with you two, she’s way prettier in other dramas and in real life lol
She’s actually an incredible actress. I saw her in Serenade of Peaceful Joy, and her story was really heart wrenching, and her emotional scenes were amazing. She’s also had quite a few magazine shoots where I found her stunning. I do think the stylist and makeup artist didn’t do her any favors in TLP. Is one of your fave kids Wu Yuheng or Nine? Because I found them both adorable Produce Camp :).
@realxzfan… it’s Nine that’s one of my top fav kids from Chuang 2021 🫶. I only really got into Cent due to that show so it’s been fun for me to see those kids going out into the world and helping me make connection between all these more famous celebs on Koala’s blog ☺️
But if she dates someone really good-looking, netizens be saying she’s too ugly for him. Finding love is hard in this day and age – so good for her!
Feel bad for this director. He just got started in his directing career and Night Wanderer – starring big names like Deng Lun and Ni Ni- has been shelved since Deng Lun got him cancelled.
The way the oppressive Chinese and Korean governments and societies create these crazed netizens that actually have nothing better to do in life than fixate on celebs and their lives because they’re so pressed by the pressures of life is WILD.
China houses a huge population with different people and opinions, so there are going to be some vapid people who only think about looks. He could have a great personality and a lot of talent that she admires. The only people who know the relationship and whether they will work out are them two. I hope they get to date in peace.
Okay as an Asian American help me understand.
everything read the director of longest promise chose Ren Min and her acting is spot on. In every social media forum I read Xiao Zhan supports it and actually had a say in it discussed with director. In behind the scenes she was commended for staying after hours worked hard to understand the design. Have you not seen the Actors stand by reality show. I think that was 2020 or earlier where she was graded across 4 directors as S class. Writers acknowledged her acting. She goes into scene and immediately into character. Her acting is actually on Xiao zhans level except she is a female lead. Even if criticism, her work has spoken for itself. This has been damaging and I’m kinda disgusted by this. Do they want to destroy a person this way. I’m American I can’t relate to that culture but I’m Chinese 1st generation American and speak fluent Cantonese. I’m a healthcare provide and you see a lot of these actresses with depression eating disorders, and mental health is frowned upon with a stigma and not as discussed in that culture. Turn the tables how silly this is people are slandering her over a film. Im a big Xiao Zhan fan. I’m going to advocate for being human beings. Is there not enough violence in this world. She already didn’t get enough credit or acknowledgment for her work, but it’s all about the male lead which by the way I love but he didn’t film this by himself ya know. People fabricate stories. I mean do they not have enough to do in their free time. Seriously my mentality for this abuse is why should females tolerate this. Okay give constructive criticism. She lost weight, worked to improve and still not good enough and people still cannot stop. Do people want to destroy a human being. Come on
Congrats to Ren Min if she is happy with the director.
For those of us who really care about Xiao Zhan (you know who you are) – please go to YouTube and listen to Xiao Zhan’s new song title “Fellow Traveler”. It’s so beautiful. I just ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ his voice. Just search for it “Xiao Zhan fellow traveler”. I can’t share the link here because I can’t cut & paste it. Thanks!
P.S. please don’t bring bad attention to Xiao Zhan if you really care about him. Thanks.
Dear @koala, is there a way for you to add a mute/block feature to this blog? I have this weird compulsion to read every single comment on online articles and I am tired of reading long essays from @Somebody, who totally have the right to write and post them.
@Somebody, good for you for being so passionate about your fave. I don’t really understand the need to be so vocal about people that I love on the Internet, but you do you.
However, as a casual drama fan, neither a fan nor an anti of XZ, the amount of coverage that he received in the comments here has slightly coloured my impression of him. I will still be checking out his new dramas if the synopsis interests me but it is hard to dissociate him from the debacle that surrounds him here when I watch him on my screen, which happened when I was watching Sunshine by My Side.
I love reading the comments here for some insider knowledge and others’ perspectives but recent comments by @Somebody had invited more online spats and arguments instead, which are headache-inducing upon reading them after a long day at work. The amounts of negativity and shade thrown at each other slightly despaired me, especially after reading about more serious and important issues happening around the world right now. Again, this is my problem and I guess I should take a break from this blog, which is a pity because I’ve been coming here since 2012.
I just like to say, it is so good to be young… the energy they have to defend themselves and be so vocal relentlessly is a exact example of being a young and dynamic.
I too suspect this particular page may get muted at some point. Time to move on to more new News and it will all start again.
@HL, Nope! I don’t think it’s Koala’s style to mute her blog. She used to get many blogs with more than 100 comments about K drama. Her Kdrama fans argued and debated all the time. Why should she mute this blog just bcos of nonsensical Chinese fans bitching about my comments? It’s not like my arguments are invalid and I attacked these busybodies first. In the US, we’d never tell any online strangers to shut up even we don’t like their opinions. These Chinese fans would feel more comfortable living in China rather than in the free world. Geeezzzzz
@HL, I don’t think Koala would mute this blog section. She used to have Kdrama blogs running 100+ comments. It’s nothing strange in her comment sections that fans argued and debated fervently. It would be out of her character to silence ppl. Ppl can choose to by pass this thread if they become sick thanks to weak nerves. LOL. But I doubt it since curiosity is human nature. They will click on whichever have the most views and comments. It’s good for ppl who appreciate critical thinking to read all the comments, reflect on each arguments, and make their own judgment. Why shutting down or muting this thread? That’s not her style, I bet.
If lunatics keep piling on me, then I don’t mind driving this thread to 100+ comments though. LMAO. Better everyone just move on to other section.
Ah… those good old times. Nowadays, I just simply digress. I guess it is time for me to step away from the bombardment of news, entertainment and not, and seek other forms of pleasure in my life. I used to be one of those lurkers who will grab popcorn and gleefully read the comment section but recent events make it hard for me to find entertainment in negativities.
@Somebody, you are right. Koala did not mute this article. Regardless content as I may not be in line with some of your replies.. but I really have to say your energy is just amazing. I miss the days I was the same but at my age, things so change.
I like Xiao Zhan as a actor but I dont identify as member of his fan club. I feel there are difference. We can like a artiste but not join their fan clubs. I dont identify as a member his fan club. My support only ends in listening to his music and watching his projects…again if the project is boring, I will drop it. Lol. His personal life if he shares it, I will read with interest. But I have no interest to find out more. I guess, I am like a silent Guest in Xiao Zhan the artiste life.
@HL, we basically are on the same page now regarding stanning a celebrity. XZ is always my fave whom I follow about the updates of his professional activities every day. I used to subscribe to some of his big online influencers’ Youtube channels and other SM fan sites dedicated to him only. But after reading numerous unfriendly comments on Youtube and Weibo about his costars from xfx on those sites, I got sick of that and unsubscribed. I also don’t believe a lot of conspiracy theories xfx speculated. I have no interest in his private life either, why should I? I have significant ones in my own personal life who have already exhausted almost all my energy. I have no extra reserved for someone else. LOL. I don’t associate myself with xfx for the reasons above. I do try to support the brands he endorses. For example, I already liked Wedgwood and had been a customer of some cosmetics he endorses before he was announced as the ambassadors of those brands. His endorsements just made me not switch to competitors. LOL. Other than those, I don’t interact with other xfx since I don’t identify myself with the fandom. I used to stan a Kpop group and was very active in that fandom. But I don’t have the same level of involvement in XZ’s fandom. As I made the point many times, I don’t appreciate the Chinese fan culture. Xfx is no exception.
I did try to watch all his dramas. But tbh, I think only The Untamed and The Youth Memories are good without big flaws in terms of plot flow and overall acting of the cast. I didn’t get to finish Ace Troop and Douluo Continent, of which either the storyline has too many evident stamps of CCP state propaganda or FL can’t act. I was disappointed at The Longest Promise and Sunshine By My Side at the end although Xiao Zhan obviously made best efforts to save the dramas. I hope his next drama will be as interesting as The Untamed. First, he needs to work with a really good director and a writer. Last but not the least, hopefully no nepotism meddles in the casting process.
@hazel. Excuse me man! I don’t get all your whining! If you are annoyed by my lengthy comments, just skip and move on. Did I order or even beg you to read my comments? I got attacked and pile-on over me since my first comments. Therefore, ppl should expect me to get back at them given that I strongly disapprove of their pattern trying to silence opinions they don’t like. I don’t see this in the American communities I’m engaged in. But it’s rampant everywhere in C drama fan circles. I’m sick of that and have to vent. My apologies for hurting your weak nerves. LOL. Please just ignore me and move on with your life. Equally I’ve been a regular visitor of this blog for a long while. I’ve never come across any K drama fans or J drama fans who are so toxic as Chinese fans. I can’t take them seriously. If they have stopped chasing and attacking me like a group of hungry hounds, you wouldn’t have to get headache by reading my lengthy essays. It’s not my fault though. You had choice to ignore my comments.
If I continue to read other nonsense dissing me, I’ll throw back at them. Don’t blame me to fire back! You reap what you sow!
No need to apologise for hurting my weak nerves, though I am not sure whether you mean it or not with that ‘LOL’ in the end. I am not blaming you for the long comments. Please, write away and comment away to your heart’s content. Like you said, I have the choice to read them or not.
With that said, I guess I need to develop a new habit of looking at the posters’ names first instead of jumping straight to the comments.
@hazel, sorry for annoying you with LOL. That’s my writing habit to amuse myself as many Taiwanese ppl habitually ended their comments with hahaha or Chinese ppl with hehe. LOL again. It’s just an expression to feel amused. If you find that simple expression offensive, then my apologies again. It has nothing to do with the context.
You’re welcome to look at commenter’s name since I’ve been doing this to dismiss those Chinese I consider obnoxious and have been habitually stalking and harassing me.
Hi @hazel, I would like to join in on your request to Ms. Koala, I’m tired of seeing @Somebody’s long essays too. Like you, I also like to read every single comment here and it’s frustrating to keep seeing his unconstructive essays. I just want to read some entertainment news here, not fights and negativity.
It always feel a little weird when I read actresses dating directors and then also starring in their works right after. Seems a little nepo. However, RM is an established actress and given rave reviews, so she never has to stoop low to get better resources. Thus, this relationship must be out of true admiration and respect. Happy for her
I will alway remember Zhang Yimou nd his famous muses…Gong Li and Zhang Ziyi. I dont know if he ever had a relationship with Zhang Ziyi…but we know of his with Gong Li.
Okay, I don’t know much about C-ent fandoms to accurately judge if @Somebody is a real fan of XZ or not, but if she really is a fan, then I commend her for having the level-headedness and rationality to call out the toxic part of the fandom she belongs to. I wish more fandoms have fans like her (especially the notoriously toxic fandom of a certain Korean actress that I shall not name).
Too many people on this site like being on a high horse and are all “Stop being toxic! You all are such haters! 😠” when their fave is being bashed, but then turn a blind eye when other actors and actresses get bashed and insulted (like a certain commenter here who likes calling out people when her fave gets bashed but is radio-silent when other actresses get bashed— I also shall not name her, but you all know who she is) lol
@Jonkler, I’m a diehard fan of XZ. He’s my bias around the world. However lunatics want to label me, it doesn’t change the fact that I’m his fan. Others have no authority to certify me or anyone as his fan. LOL. Whom do they think they are? They’re not important to anyone else come across in the virtual space. Real fans or not, it’s all telling in our own heart. Nobody should judge! How possessive those crazy emos trying to ostracize and silence me since I disapprove of certain sick parts of the Chinese fan culture.
@Somebody Yeah, I get how frustrating that is. Like I said, many people on this site are hypocrites, they scream about positivity and wanting peace, and blah blah when it’s their favorite getting negative comments, but they’re suddenly silent when it’s other actors/actresses who aren’t their favorite who’s getting insulted on this site. If they truly do want only positive vibes on this site, then they should also speak up when others are bashing other actors and actresses even if those actors and actresses aren’t their favorites. So I do commend you for speaking up when other actors (like Ren Min) are getting attacked by your fellow XZ fans, that’s a rare thing to see, especially on this site. So many people have no self-awareness, it’s crazy lol. They think you’re “betraying” the fandom and therefore must not be a real fan just because you’re not hypocrites like them
@Jonkler, Wut? Am I missing something? When did Ren Min or other celebrities get attacked by XZ fans here?
@Jonkler, I beg to differ. The way @Somebody keeps jumping on anyone who disagrees with her and then proceed to rant about CCP and what’s not just make her look toxic and deranged to me, even more toxic than those fans that she kept ranting about. I agree that it’s ok to call out toxic fans, but that’s only if those fans are actually being toxic in action here. I didn’t see XZ’s fans, XFXs, posting toxic stuff here, but @Somebody is being extremely toxic here. That’s why I called her out earlier despite having always been a silent lurker here previously. I have followed most of her beef with @Lilith. In fact, I think I saw @Lilith here first then one day @Somebody popped up and started turning this comment section into a huge mess.
Perhaps after this comment, she’s gonna start calling me a Chinese fan or CCP supporter too ROFL.
@Anon, do you have short memory and can’t recall all your track records on this site? You have been the one fighting fervently with other commenters here constantly for all kinds of trivia. On some occasions, you dismissed other ppl and had them slighted for not really knowing about China and dissed them to the extent that ppl also had pile-on over you a lot of time. Perhaps you should go back and check those blogs here. Nonetheless, it’s ME reminding ppl you’re entitled to your opinions even you sounded condescending a lot of times ! I said you shouldn’t be silenced in any case and should be free to express.
My criticism of the Chinese fan culture obviously hurts your feelings so you’re among the hunting group of Cdrama lunatics including Lilith et al to stalk me and harass me ever since. Even you’re not a citizen of CCP China, the way you dissed other ppl including me does share the same traits as Chinese fans so it’s easy for ppl to take you for Chinese fans. LOL
This is the last time I respond to a banana stalker like you who can’t reason. You can have your own takes. It’s irrelevant to me. I just don’t appreciate your taste about dramas nor your style of communication. We are rarely on the same page. So we should move on with our own online social life. Stop wasting time! Peace!
@Somebody, Do you have short-term memory or are you illiterate? I already stated previously that I’m a different Anon. Anon is an abbreviation for ‘Anonymous’. You can differentiate people here from their avatars. As expected, you started calling me a Chinese fan/CCP supporter LOL.
Forewarning: Savvy fans are welcome to read my lengthy essay below. Others with weak nerves or emo wrecks may as well just skip lest my message get you sick, physically or mentally. LOL
Any savvy ppl will be able to tell the signs of problematic online behavior coming from these overbearing C drama fans I’ve been referring to, mostly Chinese-speaking fans. I’ll stop futile exchanges with those bananas bullying and accusing me nonstop but just lay out my points here for anyone with brain to ponder:
1. When ppl criticize the CCP regime or any ppl in power, or just express opinions to their disliking, CCP always criminalize these dissidents as traitors and persecute them. There’s plenty of evidence already known to the international communities.
2. CCP has been doing intensive propaganda to spread communism and advertise their authoritative ways of governing outside China to the whole world.
4. CCP censors dramas and actors. Once they found a certain point in the drama to the disliking of the authorities, the content would be deleted or modified to fit the Chinese state narratives. Once they found someone in the cast of a drama offended the CCP authorities, he’d be cancelled in the Chinese society and the entire drama got shelved as punishment, regardless of the efforts and investment from everyone else to produce the drama. It’s called “collective punishment” (株聯 in Chinese) that has been a popular tactic used by Chinese autocratic systems in court politics to get rid of rivals or even innocent folks for 1000s years.
3. When drama fans criticize certain dramas and acting, Chinese fans of those actors in the discussion always collectively call others “haters” and “antis,” intending to silence and cancel those who express different opinions even they are justified criticism. Chinese rabid fans don’t exercise discretion and logical reasoning to tell reasonable criticism from malicious slander. They don’t look at facts but resort to emotion and their own preference instead. Chinese fans can’t tolerate different opinions as ppl in the democratic system use to. Chinese fan culture is very similar to the CCP autocratic system and the way Chinese fans telling ppl with critiques to shut up by collectively labeling everyone a “hater” and “anti” is similar to their own government in a manner to stunt different voices.
4. Not only is the preceding pathetic fan culture rampant inside China, now Chinese fans also spread the sickness to the international fan circles outside China, here in a democratic society valuing free speech and free expression. It’s getting more and more visible in the democratic countries where Chinese fans would call out ppl who reasonably critique C dramas and actors, labeling international fans “antis” and “haters”, and try to silence the voices to their disliking. These Chinese fans going overboard to position themselves as moderators policing public forums and comment sections, asking international fans to conform to the Chinese fan culture. The behavior pattern is similar to the CCP in the way they all want to propagate their own oppressiveness to the entire international communities.
5. This lunatic named “Lilith” in particular and some other busybodies have been exhibiting the CCP characteristics above. The way they expect ppl to comment is going overboard and pretty oppressive! That’s why I consider them CCP stooges and lackeys. More specifically, Lilith fought with me fervently when I criticized first time the Chinese regime about negative influence on C dramas. Since then, she’s been stalking me and labeling me as XZ anti and hater while I’m a staunch fan of XZ (I even purchase the products he endorses), AND SHE EVEN ISN’T A FAN. LMAO. How farcical! She told me to shut up bcos I’m critical of some prominent pattern of online behavior inside XZ fandom that’s no exclusion from the pervasive and pathetic part of the Chinese fan culture as a whole to discredit other celebrities, specifically XZ’s costars. She persistently stalked me and throw shade on me whenever I made comments criticizing Chinese fan culture. She has been doing this to discredit my opinions in general by just conveniently calling me an anti and hater. She is an epitome of CCP lackey since she has defended CCP China so much so often, conformed herself to the Chinese fan culture, and has been always desperately trying to silence me. She thinks she can cancel me by insinuating me a XZ anti and hater while I’m not. She wants international fans to just behave like certain “yes man” Chinese fans.
I can’t take the Chinese fan culture and the aforementioned Chinese fans seriously. I have very low regard for these bananas and emos. Their mockery/dissing has no bearing in my real life. I don’t identify myself through them and have no time to waste on their own hubris and twisted ego. They’ve already received insult they deserved in return. I’m totally done with them. But I’d like to get to the point once for all and hopefully put a period to this thread.
“Collective Punishment”…I never understood why one person’s crimes should result in 3/9 generation all punished. Either death or banished or made to slaves status. I have to say, I find this one of the most unfathomable punishment. I dont know if the West execute the same practise, but it is infamous China did so. I find the act of cancelling a artiste thus resulting in everyone’s work wasted very unreasonable.
Leaving xz out of the equation, the “actress” was god awful in LP, her looks, her character, her acting, made the entire show painfully undesirable. At the time, I couldn’t help but wonder who she’s sleeping with in order to get this role, now i know. After decades of watching cdrama, the FL in LP is the absolute worst. Every supporting actor (including ML) did their part so you can’t simply blame it on the production crew/ makeup artist. Putting lipstick on a pig, as unkind as the saying goes, is well suited for the occasion. I hated it that much.